Giskard and False Accusations

[Orisha]

That might be the job-role of a person employed by Giskard's family, who registered on Giskard's behalf due to medica mental issues forbidding Giskard from registering himself?

LOL yes

[Conner]

No idea what Carer is, doesn't matter. The point was that the UK registrar system is screwed up beyond belief if they don't offer privacy guard features. Also, yes, he was talking about a literal rock in the mod. It wasn't some kind of metaphor.

Well, it only matters in the sense that he's talking about people using fake names and yet his site is registered to a single word that doesn't look likely to be his name, even if he's someone like Madonna or Prince or Cher who are enough of celebrities to only need a single name... and the privacy guard feature thing is something that's only existed in the US even for the last decade or so. Back in the 90s the registration system was still the way it was originally intended. People registered a domain and the registration carried only real information in case someone needed to be contacted, be it to notify them of a problem with their site or to serve them legally. If he's really talking about some specific rock, he's not only delusional, in that we already know no one moved any of his rocks or would have any reason to do so, but also well beyond a bit petty.

that might be giskards name

I most sincerely doubt it. Even if he were enough of a celebrity to only have a single word as his name (no separate first/last names as is the custom in most parts of the world now that general populace has exceeded that of biblical times), I think we'd all recognize the name in question. I certainly don't recognize that word, do you?

Quote tags don't actually seem to be working, maybe I used too many? Anyway you can see the tags, so know what is quote and what is not.

Edited by Samson on Sep 6, 2010 11:02 am

Looks like Samson took care of it for you. :biggrin:

That's not a very good way to make a patch. Much better to use a new ESP from the outset rather than use the CS to create a difference plugin. I do agree that not even an ESM can touch Giskard's rocks though, that'd just cause the worldspace glitch in-game. Anyway patches don't edit the mods they patch, as the patched mod is never edited. Instead the patch is edited, and moves things around to improve compatibility. Removing the patch reverts Giskard's rocks to where they were originally, thus proving that the original mod was never edited.

So, basically, aside from his delusional rantings about people trying to rip him off by supplying patches that don't do what he thinks they do in order to make his mods usable by those players who want to experience them while still also using other mods like Better Cities, his entire basis for all this nonsense has been over someone shifting a single rock a few feet (inches?) so it would be embedded into something else that already otherwise exists in that space??

Ooh, ooh! I know, I know! Giskard! He's been "cyberstalking me and several other modders for more than two years now, and keeps posting lies and abuse about us on his private web site where those being lied about aren't allowed to respond! Does Giskard qualify, Giskard?

Well, even if by some stretch he doesn't qualify for cyberstalking, he certainly would qualify for libel at this point under those conditions. At least, that's how it works here in the U.S. anyway.

Don't call people idiots, it's insulting and might encourage them to retaliate. We don't know who they are though, we didn't employ them.

Good point. Calling someone names isn't going to help you, especially if it's a matter that you've already invoked the police over.

That's pretty amusng stuff, Troll. I especially liked the repeated remark by Giskard about fake names. So, I guess that means we can all fully expect that "Giskard" is the name that appears on his birth certificate and driver's license too?

No, no, his real name is Mr Guildmaster. First name The.

Wait, so his driver's license, passport, birth certificate, etc all would reflect that his given name is The Guildmaster? Not Carer, not Giskard? Hmm, and who's using fake names online then? Somehow I suspect that even "The Guildmaster" still isn't his real name either though.

I rather expect even in the UK they have charges they can file to arrest someone who reports crimes that haven't been committed. Especially since any "evidence" he could possibly come up with would qualify as tampered with, at best, and entirely fabricated, at worst.

I warned Giskard about a year ago that calling the police on me for cyberstalking would almost certainly result in the police investigating him for cyberstalking and wasting police time. He quickly quietened down after that, so clearly I briefly broke through the cloud and he recognised the truth in my warning.

I hold that this is the real reason he's "shutting down" online operations and removing all his libelous posts and such. Some lawyer advised him that his claims weren't going to win him anything except an invitation to appear before a judge and the distinct possibility of free meals and accommodations provided by the crown in a small room for a few years with the added bonus of a brand new friend who gets to share it all with him, especially if he ever bends down in the shower... Scotland Yard is always "looking for a few good men" ...to put behind bars. Some folks never quite get that there's a very real line you just don't cross and, should you ever accidentally slide a toe over it, you immediately retreat with a hasty apology...

@Hanaisse: Certainly sounds like an overwhelming project at least. Maybe Giskard decided to create a new "fake name" and post that as a final stab at the BC team.

(I know, probably not, but I couldn't resist an obvious way to bring even this one back "on-topic". ;))

We've been trying to get modders to provide us with new interiors for our as-yet unused doors for two years. We pretty much gave up in the end, very few BC-users were modders too (or simply didn't want to).

Seriously? Hmm, I know a couple of really good modders.. they happen to be pretty busy at the moment, but when they're done with their current projects, I'll try to remember to nudge Samson, Dwip, and Sigurd (and maybe Hanaisse too by then) into considering that proposition.

[Conner]

Um, Samson, why isn't it displaying my post? Did I type too much? Did it flake over my tag usage? Did I include too many emoticons? :(

[Arthmoor]

Well apparently it doesn't like nesting the size tag, so I took it out.

[Vorians]

Wait, so his driver's license, passport, birth certificate, etc all would reflect that his given name is The Guildmaster? Not Carer, not Giskard? Hmm, and who's using fake names online then? Somehow I suspect that even "The Guildmaster" still isn't his real name either though.

You should use Google Translate on my posts like I do on yours, you're just not seeing the humour I spend many many hours deliberating over to come up with the right phrase to portray the correct level of proper British jokery. I can eat my lunch now.

[Arthmoor]

We're Americans. British humor is regarded as an oxymoron here :)

[Vorians]

I'm glad I'm not involved in that friendly debate. Hey everybody, the alpha for Hammerfell just got released! Why aren't you downloading it? The only acceptable answer is: because I already did, leave me alone I'm trying to explore Hammerfell now!

[Conner]

Well apparently it doesn't like nesting the size tag, so I took it out.

:sigh: Thanks, Samson. Sorry to have given you another post to have to edit today. stupid nested tag combination issues

You should use Google Translate on my posts like I do on yours, you're just not seeing the humour I spend many many hours deliberating over to come up with the right phrase to portray the correct level of proper British jokery. I can eat my lunch now.

Perhaps that is the problem. And, to think, I used to be quite the fan of BBC comedy shows... By all means, do enjoy your lunch now. Though, I really would've thought that at roughly 9pm, you'd be having a different meal. Unless you're working 2nd shift?

We're Americans. British humor is regarded as an oxymoron here

:snicker: @Troll: I'm not really sure why you and he are still bothering this debate, I would agree with your assessment that those things certainly don't "prove" that you're Arthmoor given that, as you said: Arthmoor's mods are easily amongst the best out there, Giskard is a dick, and Rpeh was wrong about that bug.

[Conner]

Hey everybody, the alpha for Hammerfell just got released! Why aren't you downloading it? The only acceptable answer is: because I already did, leave me alone I'm trying to explore Hammerfell now!

Actually, I've got an even better two part answer for you: It's still Alpha and at 159 MB it'd kill my download limits for the day on me if I didn't wait another 10 hours to consider downloading it.

[Arthmoor]

I think it's just the size tag that's causing problems really. Not exactly sure why though. Maybe it needs to be in a different order in processing or something. Hammerfell spotted and downloaded and preparing to be installed :) Tiber Septim is still at it with that stupid post about the amulet? Also, how does one define "most stable"? If mod A and mod B don't cause the game to crash, then aren't they both by definition "stable"? So just how does one produce something more stable than that? Hardly seems like a point worth spending time debating. As for Tiber being Giskard... the timestamps on that blog do lead one to wonder....

[Hana]

Hey everybody, the alpha for Hammerfell just got released! Why aren't you downloading it?

Because it's alpha.

We've been trying to get modders to provide us with new interiors for our as-yet unused doors for two years.

Seriously? Hmm, I know a couple of really good modders.. they happen to be pretty busy at the moment, but when they're done with their current projects, I'll try to remember to nudge Samson, Dwip, and Sigurd (and maybe Hanaisse too by then) into considering that proposition.

Sure, I'll consider it. Later. Too much going on right now. @Troll: Grow up. Seriously. Samson does not need you to fight battles for him. He's mature enough to let it go.

[Vorians]

By all means, do enjoy your lunch now. Though, I really would've thought that at roughly 9pm, you'd be having a different meal.

Well I only just finished spending many many hours deliberating over the right phrase to portray the correct level of proper British jokery, and thus was unable to consume my lunch at the appropriate time. I did stop for supper however, so maybe I should skip lunch now. Some mods should certainly be avoided if released as alpha (unless you're testing), but I feel that a mod on the scope and scale of Hammerfell ought to be worth a download and run-around even at alpha-stage.

[Conner]

I think it's just the size tag that's causing problems really. Not exactly sure why though. Maybe it needs to be in a different order in processing or something.

I don't know, I just know it's far from the first time I've run into trouble with nested tags here and it doesn't seem like it's consistently the same ones.

Tiber Septim is still at it with that stupid post about the amulet? Also, how does one define "most stable"? If mod A and mod B don't cause the game to crash, then aren't they both by definition "stable"? So just how does one produce something more stable than that? Hardly seems like a point worth spending time debating. As for Tiber being Giskard... the timestamps on that blog do lead one to wonder....

Yup, seems to be. That's why I changed it slightly when I agreed with his stance. I figure your mods are certainly amongst the best mods out there, but I've got no way to even try to argue about their stability versus most other mods that also don't crash the game with any real frequency. Indeed, though, honestly, that's probably not really worth spending time debating either.

Sure, I'll consider it. Later. Too much going on right now.

That's why I'd suggested "they happen to be pretty busy at the moment, but when they're done with their current projects". But, now that you've already essentially agreed to the project, I won't need to nudge y'all about it later afterall.

@Troll: Grow up. Seriously. Samson does not need you to fight battles for him. He's mature enough to let it go.

True enough, really.

Well I only just finished spending many many hours deliberating over the right phrase to portray the correct level of proper British jokery, and thus was unable to consume my lunch at the appropriate time. I did stop for supper however, so maybe I should skip lunch now.

You're quite an amusing fellow. Did you know that? As for catching up on the lunch you managed to skip, if you're at all concerned about your diet, then you probably shouldn't make up for the missed meal, otherwise, it sounds like a lovely excuse to grab another bite.

Some mods should certainly be avoided if released as alpha (unless you're testing), but I feel that a mod on the scope and scale of Hammerfell ought to be worth a download and run-around even at alpha-stage.

If I were at least a little familiar with the mod in question, I might agree with you. As it s, all I can go by is what was posted in it's description and it's file size. In those terms it's scope is striking me as considerably impaired by being quite unfinished and it's size is too big to download multiple times as the team presents updates unless I really am beta testing for them. (I'm probably not a good candidate for beta testing in Oblivion in all honesty.) So, I'll add it to my growing list of mods that are likely to be well worth checking out once they're complete and keep an eye on it for now instead.

[Conner]

Well, I'm a nice guy :)

Hmm, a nice guy with a good sense of humor and a native British accent... Ladies, watch this one!

Troll is from The Engineering Guild, and is referred to by Giskard as being from the "troll team site", so presumably he's referring to his own team on his site since that's where Troll came from. Mind you, clearly Giskard got the wrong person, since there's no way that one of four people banned from his site could post comments from his site quoting that - if they're banned, they wouldn't have been able to view Giskard talking about it! Try again, Giskard, it's someone ELSE on your site who is wandering over here occasionally to let us know what new lies you're coming up with. Ban that person there... no wait, that one! No, try that guy... ban her! No the other one, oh just ban them both, you never know!

Ah, sorry, thought we were still on the screenshots. Actually, the person could be bypassing the ban through proxies but that would counter Giskard's claims of knowing who this person was too (not that those aren't pretty flimsy anyway..). Well, if he's going to go on a ban spree to weed out the leak, maybe he should just take the easy route and shut down his site altogether, then no one can leak from it.

What is Google Analytics?

Google Analytics is Google's solution to existing alternatives like Webalyzer, Alexa, GoStats, etc, etc, etc. In other words, it's a web service to monitor your websites and give you nifty statistical info about your site, things like how many visitors you've had, what locale they appear to have come from, which browser they used, what other sites referred them to yours, which pages of yours they hit, any search terms they may have used to get there, and so on. Some of these analytics sites/programs claim to be able to tell you way more info than others and some offer just basic counter services. Some, like Google Analytics require a script to be embedded in your web pages, others like Webalyzer are run locally on your web server and compile their information from your web server's own logs. While I've heard good things about Google's product (mostly from Samson and Google's web site, but a few other sources too), I'm pretty happy with the info webalyzer gives me already, even though I do realize that if I switched to Google's product I could potentially get satellite imaging of the individual visitors of my web sites and info, as collected by the street view vehicles, about their local home wireless networks and how frequently their wives/girlfriends shower and when they take their dogs for a walk and... What can I say? Those extra details are very likely too much information anyway.

[Vorians]

Well, if he's going to go on a ban spree to weed out the leak, maybe he should just take the easy route and shut down his site altogether, then no one can leak from it

Again?

Google Analytics techspeaktechspeaktechspeakwaitwhat?!

I've had Google Analytics on my Adblock Plus filter list for quite some time, as I saw no valid reason for a site which wasn't www.google.com to keep loading google stuff when I just wanted to view the not-a-Google-site. Does that mean it can't provide info about me?

[Conner]

Sure, why not again? ;) "Google Analytics techspeaktechspeaktechspeakwaitwhat?!" :lol: Is that how Google translate translated what I said to you? :P You did ask, sorry if you didn't really want the answer. ;) Anyway, I can't say that I blame you for blocking it, though I'm not really sure that adblock stops it from polling your browser and sending that info to Google, I think adblock just stops you from seeing it. If that's the case, then no, Google will still record whatever it wants about you to inform Samson about your stats from your visits. On the other hand, if adblock really does prevent the script from Google's Analytics from running at all, then yes, it would exclude you from his stats or perhaps only indicate that he had a visitor for whom it knows very little.

[Arthmoor]

Analytics doesn't run an ad, so in theory there's nothing for adblock to kill. The reason you don't see anything is because there's nothing to see. While the whole getting satellite images of peoples houses [i]could[/i] happen because Google owns all the data sources, Analytics doesn't display individual IPs of the people who visit the site.

[Conner]

That's what I was thinking. (Regarding adblock, that is.) Sorry, was being a bit facetious about that aspect, but in theory, they could go far enough to show you satellite images of the houses of the folks who'd hit your site, but given that they generally use images for their map that's two years old and then have trouble zooming in to the point of being able to make out individual houses in so many places, it's not like they're likely to be using the military version images that show the individual sitting at their computer as they browse. Remember, Big Brother is watching you, right ..now!

[IsmeldaLasombra]

Well I don't have google-analytics on ad-block but surely on Blocked Script and untrusted site to never bother with. I don't know if that does change anything but well I'm sure no script from it will play tricks on me. Whatever the tricks may be.

[Vorians]

I blocked Google Analytics because it kept being listed in the Status bar with "Transferring data from google.analytics.com" (or whatever it is) while loading other sites. As soon as I blocked it, it stopped displaying that message. Adblock doesn't just block ads/images, it blocks scripts too, so it might well be blocking Analytics properly. Doesn't really matter either way though.

[Dallen68]

Back to Giskard: For someone that doesn't care what happens to people once he's banned them, he sure spends a lot of time worrying about what there doing. Happy New Year, Conner.

[Conner]

Then, Ismelda & Vorians, you're probably giving Samson false stats effectively by not being counted fully, but who knows what Google does with it's analytics when it gets a hit without the browser's feedback. :shrug: Indeed, Dallen. Thanks, Dallen, may you be inscribed in the book of life for another year too. :)

[Hana]

Happy New Year, Conner.

??? And Merry Christmas too?

[Dallen68]

It's the 1st of Tishrei, 5771-Jewish New Year. (Or at least it was when I posted it. :grinning: On a related note-Your favourite anonymous posters birthday is the 5th of Tishrei.

[Conner]

Yup, Rosh Hashanah started Wednesday night at sundown. Happy birthday in advance, Dallen! http://tcdbbs.zapto.org/smilies/bday.gif