Giskard and False Accusations

[Conner]

Um, yeah.. :facepalm: :headbang:

[Vorians]

I know we're just making sure it's clear for the record that no one actually did clean and re-upload Giskard's mods without permission or what have you, but I really was just saying that it could have been done (I suppose as a retaliatory strike in Giskard's "war";) by claiming the mods were being translated since he's apparently given full free permission for anyone to do that.

Trouble is, you suggest translating into American. Unfortunately I am English and Ismelda is French. Neither of us speak American so how could we possibly translate it from English into American? It's hard enough using Google Translate just to understand what you and Samson keep posting here!

[Conner]

Trouble is, you suggest translating into American. Unfortunately I am English and Ismelda is French. Neither of us speak American so how could we possibly translate it from English into American? It's hard enough using Google Translate just to understand what you and Samson keep posting here!

Well, damn, now that does throw a kink in the works. Hang on a second. I can understand Ismelda complaining about Google translate making it less than easy to understand Samson and I here when we're having to be translated to French. (Is anyone other than her French here? Wouldn't she have the same issue with everyone else?) But going from American to British is hardly a tough translation, that was what I thought would make my suggestion funniest. Btw, Samson and I are far from the only Yanks in this thread... (Even if Samson's an otherworldly undead iguanadon, he's still a Yank to you Brits just as I am even though I'm actually a Southerner rather than a Yankee myself...)

[IsmeldaLasombra]

Poor Conner. I believe, now that's me assuming things that might not be true, that Vorians was just kidding when he was telling you that he had to use Google translate to understand American English. It was just a follow up on your own joke about translation from British to American for Giskard's mods, implying that we couldn't honestly do the job because neither of us are American so it is a "foreign language" for us :P Now run that through google if you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm sure it is funny in spanish :biggrin:

[Vorians]

Hang on, I'm just waiting for Google to translate your last post... Ah! Yes, well Ismelda is very good at reading English, and watches a lot of American television, so that helps her to make sense of it all. Also, since I don't know the nationalities of everyone else, I just settle for assuming they're English, and thus I am able to read their posts without Google Translate. I only need Google for the posts which I [i]know[/i] are by an American (there's logic in there, somewhere).

[Dallen68]

Giskard is English too and sometimes what he says makes no sense.

[Hana]

Vous êtes drôle du tout. :lol:

[Conner]

Ok, Ismelda, I get it. :) Very funny Vorians. ;) Well, yeah, Dallen, but in that case it's more than just being a quirky Brit.. :P Um Hanisse, was that courtesy of Google translate too, or do you happen to know French?

[Orisha]

Some news from TEG forum. Enjoy: The Guild Master And a fond fair well to all you other Oblivion Regulars, it was fun having you here and I will miss you and I do understand, so feel free to drop by in the future. To All Can you please make sure people understand the mods are on fileplanet and will stay there unless a troll gets them removed in which case thats just too bad. And that I have no interest in hearing from Elder Scrolls fans outside of this site. I am finding it very hard to resist the urge to tell them all to fuck off. Which is how I am actually feeling about Elder Scrolls players right now outside of this forum. I also know Elder Scrolls fans have no respect for the rights of a modder and so will not be attempting to enforce my rights anymore. I have given up trying to persuade a bunch of thieves to stop stealing from me. Oh and for those who dont understand how BC is ripping off my work, let me explain. You know what they have done over the years and why I dont want them near me or my work, all the trouble etc etc. Well keep that in mind as a primary motivation of me wanting to stay as far away as possible from those cyber freaks as possible. Anyway this is how their rip off game works. I place a rock in an ESP, that rock is my rock, no other mod can edit that rock or move it, not even an esm can touch that rock without editing my esp. So how exactly do Better cities move that rock if they dont edit my esp ? They use whats called a difference plugin, they edit my mods and save the result to a difference plugin which that call a patch. That patch moves the rock because its a mini bit of code taken from my esp and edited So the patch is proof they have breached my rights as a modder. The Guild Master Thanks everybody and yes some of you are right, it will continue for some time yet regardless. I have noticed the Better Cities people have already resorted to stalking on this site, the logs show its going on and show the usual hacker tools are in use again as they where last year. Unfortunately for them, this site is a UK site now where the Uk police have full authority and the logs as you can tell are working fine. Last time they tried this the site was international and police where powerless to act. Plus the logs where not that great at the time. All of that changed when the guild was founded. So we will handle them in due cause. The Guild Master QUOTE (Kaiwen @ Aug 30 2010, 07:56 PM) * So are you pursuing the matter further Only if it becomes a problem like it did last year, if that happens I'll be bringing in the police again and let them handle it. This time will have the authority to act if need be. UK site and all that. Cyberstalking is long term persistent harrasment, know any Oblivion teams that qualify as cyberstalkers, that also cross post private stuff from my site on to theirs and keep ripping me off and attacking me ? The Guild Master Btw I am currently enjoying watching one the 4 people we blocked on the main site that came from the troll team site prove his is our cyberstalker. Its funny because when theres only 4 people it can be and a simple OS comparison tells me which one it is. I dont even need to look at my logs to get this info. They come from a site who's owner hides his site ownership details so nobody can tell who owns the site or deal his activities online. A owner that likes all his users to be anon and use fake names, An owner who was caught uploading and editing my mods between jan 2009 and April 2009, whos games came to an end in April 2009 when we hosted the mods here at the new guild site. But the funny part is, our Cyberstalker the police are after also loved anon surfing practices, loved fake sites with hidden ownership details, loved using fake throw away emails to conduct his attacks from, loved fake names and all that none sense and was also busy attacking me and my site between Jan 2009 and April 2009. And also stopped when the Guild opened. Pretty much having an identical life to our Iguandon site owner who is now the source of this latest round of trouble. Can anybody here guess why I find this interesting smile.gif The Guild Master QUOTE (Kaiwen @ Aug 30 2010, 09:02 PM) * Its giving you more ammunition that you want The words I was looking for are "convicting them selves". Kind of reminds me of that trap in the Shivering Isles and I am sat at hidden pressing buttons to spawn gnarls and drop keys again. The Guild Master True mate, very true The Better Cities people are already getting idiots to abuse our feedback links and have started using proxy servers favoured by hackers (literally hacker run proxy servers) so they can attack this site. They did the same thing last year to mechstorm. You have been warned. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us.

[Arthmoor]

the source of this latest round of trouble

That's Giskard-speak for someone had the guts to stand up and tell the truth about him. The rest of his crap has already been answered in the opening post. The police stuff is laughable though. I mean seriously. What does he expect the UK authorities to do exactly? Have me arrested for making a post on a blog? That's not going to fly. I really shouldn't even have to explain the concept of free speech and that I'm a US citizen who does not answer to British law. The OS comparison thing is about as laughable as it gets. Evidence of that nature wouldn't be enough to convict Hitler of using gas chambers. He's already admitted he blocked me, I admitted he blocked me. Blocked me from doing what? Reading his public blogs. Wow. Such a crime. If he didn't want them read he shouldn't have made them public. If anyone here has a potential lawsuit it's Ismelda and Vorians. For libel. Giskard has no legal standing against me for simply making a post that finally exposed his lies for what they were - lies.

[Conner]

That's pretty amusng stuff, Troll. I especially liked the repeated remark by Giskard about fake names. So, I guess that means we can all fully expect that "Giskard" is the name that appears on his birth certificate and driver's license too? :lol: Frankly, after reading that, if I hadn't been here from the beginning of this I still wouldn't have a clue what he thinks the BC team is doing to rip off his mods. I don't know who Giskard thinks is hacking him or how, based upon what he's said there, but it doesn't sound as if he's accusing Samson of anything other than being "the source of this latest round of troubles", whatever that's supposed to mean. If it means he's sticking the UK cops on Samson for something the outcome really ought to be amusing given that I rather expect even in the UK they have charges they can file to arrest someone who reports crimes that haven't been committed. Especially since any "evidence" he could possibly come up with would qualify as tampered with, at best, and entirely fabricated, at worst. Beyond that, Troll, you might consider using quote tags next time so it's easier to read and the various parts remain separated accordingly.

[Arthmoor]

Yeah, I don't get the whole fake names thing either. Only thing I can figure is that "Samson" != "Arthmoor" and therefore I must be trying to hide. Pay no attention to the obvious Argonian avatar, that isn't important at all. Pay no attention to the links in my BGS, Nexus, and TESA profiles that point directly here - all of which use the same avatar. Or maybe it's because I'm not using my legal name as my online alias? Who the hell knows. Or, perhaps he refers to the domain registration itself. Well, fine, here's his:

[samson@boralis: ~] whois theengineeringguild.co.uk [Querying whois.nic.uk] [whois.nic.uk] Domain name: theengineeringguild.co.uk Registrant: Carer Registrant type: Other UK Entity (e.g. clubs, associations, many universities) Registrant's address: 58 Staveley rd Hull England HU9 4SE United Kingdom Registrar: TUCOWS Inc [Tag = TUCOWS-CA] URL:

http://domainhelp.tucows.com Relevant dates: Registered on: 18-Apr-2009 Renewal date: 18-Apr-2011 Registration status: Registered until renewal date. Name servers: ns0.register1.net ns1.register1.net ns8.register1.net ns9.register1.net WHOIS lookup made at 22:45:22 05-Sep-2010

and here's mine:

[samson@boralis: ~] whois iguanadons.net [Querying whois.verisign-grs.com] [Redirected to whois.dynadot.com] [Querying whois.dynadot.com] [whois.dynadot.com] Domain Name: iguanadons.net Registered at

http://www.dynadot.com Registrant: Roger Libiez c/o Dynadot Privacy PO Box 701 San Mateo, CA 94401 United States Administrative Contact: Roger Libiez c/o Dynadot Privacy PO Box 701 San Mateo, CA 94401 United States privacy@dynadot.com 1-650-585-4708 Technical Contact: Roger Libiez c/o Dynadot Privacy PO Box 701 San Mateo, CA 94401 United States privacy@dynadot.com 1-650-585-4708 Record expires on 2012/01/01 UTC Record created on 2007/01/01 UTC Domain servers in listed order: ns1.arthmoor.com ns2.arthmoor.com >>> Last update of whois database: 2010/09/05 14:42:02 PST <<<

Oh no. He's got me. That's not *MY* address and phone number. Whatever shall I do? It must suck balls to live in a country that doesn't allow you to keep your personal details private, or to use a registrar that doesn't offer that sort of service. There's a reason I'm not using a .us domain here. There's a reason I pay the extra $2 per domain to keep the domain contact info hidden. It's called spam.

[Orisha]

YOU ALL DESERVE TO GO TO PRISON FOR MOVING THAT ROCK IN GISKARD'S MOD! That's his rock, not yours and certainly not Bethsoft. The CS was made by Giskard, not Bethsoft! Consequences will never be the same! I'm sure the Scotland Yard will take the Unlawful Repositioning Of A Binary Rock In A Computer Game very seriously.

[Orisha]

BTW, I always thought Arthmoor was short for Arthur Moore. Your real name sounds a bit more "geekish". :wink:

[Arthmoor]

Yes, well, the even funnier part is, Vorians didn't move the rock since it's a persistent object. So that entire rant about touching "his" rock is pure bullshit.

[Dallen68]

I think he's trying to make a point; not saying someone moved a 'literal' rock.

[AnImpatientFan]

Haha, my abuse of the feedback links paid off. Oh man I love my schools proxy server. :biggrin:

[AnImpatientFan]

Reece Watherstone Timothy Angas Harry Lynn Best fake identities ever :blues:

[Orisha]

Damned, after reading that "arsemoore" comment further up, I realized that my own nice ends with "anus". Maybe Giskard is right and we really are assholes? :biggrin:

[Hana]

Heh ... Better Better Citys ??? (the mods typo, not mine) That looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Oh, and congrats to DragoonWraith on the release of NifSE. Looks good, if only I could understand it.

[Conner]

@Samson: Wait, what the hell's "Carer" supposed to be? @Dallen: Sadly, the truth is I agree with you, he's just trying to illustrate his point (whatever that may be) not really talking about a literal rock, but I really liked PetrusOctavianus's take on it much better for humor value. @AnImpatientFan: I seriously hope you're just kidding around as much as Petrus was... :surprised: @PetrusOctavianus: Wait, Roger Libiez sounds more geekish than Arthur Moore? Maybe is Samson renamed himself a combination of the two you'd like it even better, he could become Roger Moore.. oh, wait, that one's already been taken, hasn't it? I don't know about trying to isolate the last four letters of your alias for this but changing Arthmoor to Arsemoore was Giskard's attempt at flattery to imply that Samson gets more arse than Giskard ever will, wasn't it? @Hanaisse: Certainly sounds like an overwhelming project at least. Maybe Giskard decided to create a new "fake name" and post that as a final stab at the BC team. (I know, probably not, but I couldn't resist an obvious way to bring even this one back "on-topic". ;))

[Arthmoor]

No idea what Carer is, doesn't matter. The point was that the UK registrar system is screwed up beyond belief if they don't offer privacy guard features. Also, yes, he was talking about a literal rock in the mod. It wasn't some kind of metaphor.

[Orisha]

that might be giskards name :shrug:

[Vorians]

Quote tags don't actually seem to be working, maybe I used too many? Anyway you can see the tags, so know what is quote and what is not. Quoting Giskard, as posted by Troll [Anon]... (due to lack of quote tags, I can only assume that the entire post after the first line is a quote, and that none of it is commenting from Troll):

I have no interest in hearing from Elder Scrolls fans outside of this site. I am finding it very hard to resist the urge to tell them all to fuck off.

You never felt the need to resist before, and that's what caused your isolation in the first place. Bravo for learning resistence since then.

You have been warned. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us.

Oh well, I guess you'd better stop resisting that urge now. Never did play Zero Wing, but thanks for quoting it.

Anyway this is how their rip off game works. I place a rock in an ESP, that rock is my rock, no other mod can edit that rock or move it, not even an esm can touch that rock without editing my esp. So how exactly do Better cities move that rock if they dont edit my esp ? They use whats called a difference plugin, they edit my mods and save the result to a difference plugin which that call a patch. That patch moves the rock because its a mini bit of code taken from my esp and edited

That's not a very good way to make a patch. Much better to use a new ESP from the outset rather than use the CS to create a difference plugin. I do agree that not even an ESM can touch Giskard's rocks though, that'd just cause the worldspace glitch in-game. Anyway patches don't edit the mods they patch, as the patched mod is never edited. Instead the patch is edited, and moves things around to improve compatibility. Removing the patch reverts Giskard's rocks to where they were originally, thus proving that the original mod was never edited.

So the patch is proof they have breached my rights as a modder.

The only right a modder has in relation to an ESM or ESP is to be treated with the same level of respect he shows others. Giskard was abusive the instant I questioned him, and has been abusive to many other modders, showing a complete lack of respect for those he was abusive to, thus he lost his rights as a modder. In spite of the fact that he chose to throw his own rights away, we still have never uploaded any of his mods.

I have noticed the Better Cities people have already resorted to stalking on this site, the logs show its going on and show the usual hacker tools are in use again as they where last year. Unfortunately for them, this site is a UK site now where the Uk police have full authority and the logs as you can tell are working fine.

Who are these "Better Cities people"? We've never met them ourselves. Whoever you're tracking with your logs, it's not us. If you think it is us, then your logs aren't working very well.

Last time they tried this the site was international and police where powerless to act.

Because there was nothing for them to actually act on, perhaps?

Cyberstalking is long term persistent harrasment, know any Oblivion teams that qualify as cyberstalkers, that also cross post private stuff from my site on to theirs and keep ripping me off and attacking me ?

Ooh, ooh! I know, I know! Giskard! He's been "cyberstalking me and several other modders for more than two years now, and keeps posting lies and abuse about us on his private web site where those being lied about aren't allowed to respond! Does Giskard qualify, Giskard?

Btw I am currently enjoying watching one the 4 people we blocked on the main site that came from the troll team site prove his is our cyberstalker. Its funny because when theres only 4 people it can be and a simple OS comparison tells me which one it is. I dont even need to look at my logs to get this info.

Way to go, Giskard! Accusing without bothering to look at the logs. Good thing, since those logs aren't working very well.

They come from a site who's owner hides his site ownership details so nobody can tell who owns the site or deal his activities online. A owner that likes all his users to be anon and use fake names, An owner who was caught uploading and editing my mods between jan 2009 and April 2009, whos games came to an end in April 2009 when we hosted the mods here at the new guild site.

There's another site posting the truth about your lies? Can we have a link please?

Iguandon site owner who is now the source of this latest round of trouble.

Actually the source is and has always been Giskard. A post responding to a trouble-maker cannot be the source, the source is that to which the responding post relates to.

Can anybody here guess why I find this interesting

Okay I'll guess... you like stirring up trouble?

The Better Cities people are already getting idiots to abuse our feedback links

Don't call people idiots, it's insulting and might encourage them to retaliate. We don't know who they are though, we didn't employ them.

and have started using proxy servers favoured by hackers (literally hacker run proxy servers) so they can attack this site

Not us.

They did the same thing last year to mechstorm

Not us.

That's pretty amusng stuff, Troll. I especially liked the repeated remark by Giskard about fake names. So, I guess that means we can all fully expect that "Giskard" is the name that appears on his birth certificate and driver's license too?

No, no, his real name is Mr Guildmaster. First name The.

I rather expect even in the UK they have charges they can file to arrest someone who reports crimes that haven't been committed. Especially since any "evidence" he could possibly come up with would qualify as tampered with, at best, and entirely fabricated, at worst.

I warned Giskard about a year ago that calling the police on me for cyberstalking would almost certainly result in the police investigating him for cyberstalking and wasting police time. He quickly quietened down after that, so clearly I briefly broke through the cloud and he recognised the truth in my warning.

] Haha, my abuse of the feedback links paid off. Oh man I love my schools proxy server

That was naughty. I don't know what it means since I haven't ever looked at Giskard's feedback links, but it upset Giskard, so it must have been naughty.

Heh ... Better Better Citys ??? (the mods typo, not mine) That looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

Also nothing to do with us And no file yet either. The author of that Nexus page will be on Giskard's hitlist now.

@Hanaisse: Certainly sounds like an overwhelming project at least. Maybe Giskard decided to create a new "fake name" and post that as a final stab at the BC team.

(I know, probably not, but I couldn't resist an obvious way to bring even this one back "on-topic". ;))

We've been trying to get modders to provide us with new interiors for our as-yet unused doors for two years. We pretty much gave up in the end, very few BC-users were modders too (or simply didn't want to).

No idea what Carer is, doesn't matter

That might be the job-role of a person employed by Giskard's family, who registered on Giskard's behalf due to medica mental issues forbidding Giskard from registering himself? Gosh, this took almost my entire lunch hour, and I haven't even eaten yet!

[Arthmoor]

Quotes work great when you don't miss an end tag :P