Starting from Scratch - The Proper Way

[Kayle]

So, as I'm getting ready to reinstall Oblivion from scratch, due to the imminent arrival of Cheydinhal Reborn, what tools do I need to get Oblivion modded up and running?I know I'll need Wyre Bash, but if I have Wyre Bash, do I need OBMM? Are there any other tools that are worth grabbing, that will make installing and managing mods easier?Also, any suggested mods are welcome, I'll be getting the Arthmoor Villages, AFK_Weye, and other assorted things from here, as well as the UOP stuff, and of Course all the UL mods. Any others you guys would suggest?

[Dwip]

This post of mine is now slightly dated, but still holds up well enough, I think. Has some install tips and a reasonably current list of what I run.IMHO, Bash is all you really need. Some people love OBMM a lot, but I think BAIN is a really superior tool, albeit one with a slight learning curve.

[Hana]

Dwip's post pretty much still covers it. I'm so glad that was around when I first started adding mods or I'd be totally lost.Just remember that BOSS and BASH will become your new BFF's and you can't go wrong.OBSE isn't really optional anymore. More and more mods require it, including Samsons Faregyl, so get it. And get Elys Silent Voice, an OBSE plug-in that slows down dialogue text in mods. Plus, OSR and Fast Exit. There's quite a few mod suggestions in Dwip's post. You might want to try Immersive Interiors to go along with Weather - All Natural. (I haven't tried it but Samson can tell you how nice it looks). If you ever want to get into actually making your own mods, well that's a whole different post, lol.

[prettyfly]

I would get OBMM, if only to install one of DarN's UI mods, and there is the odd mod you may come across that is best installed via and OMOD script. Otherwise though BAIN 4 LIFE!Otherwise I think Dwip and Hana have you covered for installation and mod management tools.I'll be a bit vain here and recommend a mod I've worked on - ImpeREAL forts. You might want to looks at ImpeREAL City as well.Immersive Interiors is da bomb, btw.The only other things that immediately pop to mind are Alive Waters, Enhanced Economy and Less Annoying Magic Experience (aka LAME).

[Arthmoor]

Everyone has pretty much covered it already. Though you did remind me to check and make sure the UOP Supplementals were updated here - they weren't :PEven for UI mods OBMM isn't a necessity. I've got what I think is a nice mix of UI components which I packaged up as a BAIN but I haven't sought permission to redistribute the results. It's a hybrid of DarnUI and Immersive Interface with the system menu fonts left in vanilla size.Immserive Interiors is 110% awesome. Can't go wrong there, and if paired up with Animated Window Lighting System you just can't beat it.I see nobody recommended Map Marker Overhaul. That's a really good mod that is underappreciated. Same guy who did Enhanced Economy.

[prettyfly]

I see nobody recommended Map Marker Overhaul. That's a really good mod that is underappreciated

I wouldn't call being voted File of the Month under appreciated... :tongue:

[Hana]

Oh, Storms and Sounds is great for atmosphere, and you'll want Refscope, for those WTF, I'm a missing mesh! moments.

[Dwip]

MMO is one of the first mods I listed in my post. :PI also see that I recommend Esme's map in said post, but if you're going the vanilla route you should be using AFK_Map instead. Otherwise I think Elven Map Compilation or the dynamic map TheNiceOne was working on are your best bets.If you're doing the magic overhaul thing, I recommend LAME, as it's treated me well.If you want more hotkeys, I'm using Super Hotkeys, which is good but has quirks. IIRC TNO was working on a better mod, but I don't know what its status is.For your dungeon crawling needs, The Ayleid Steps is pretty damn good.[edit] Current mod list for kicks:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]03  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm04  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.3]05  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]06  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]07  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0A  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]0B  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]0C  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]0D  Storms & Sound.esp0E  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]0F  WindowLightingSystem.esp10  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]11  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Better Wine SI.esp12  Chapel Tithe.esp13  ImprovedSigns.esp14  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.4]15  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]16  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.3]17  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]18  sr_super_hotkeys.esp  [Version 0.54]19  DLCHorseArmor.esp1A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]1B  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]1C  DLCOrrery.esp1D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]1F  DLCVileLair.esp20  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]21  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp22  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]23  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]24  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]25  Book Jackets DLC.esp**  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp26  ACCCGR SI.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  FineWeapons.esp27  KDClothCirclets.esp++  RustyItems.esp28  Xifr's Plain Surcoats.esp29  DLCThievesDen.esp2A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]2B  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]++  dangerous wilderness.esp2C  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp2D  Better Benirus Manor - Complete.esp2E  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2F  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp30  OCC-KR-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]31  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp32  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]33  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]34  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp35  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]36  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]37  DLCFrostcrag.esp38  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag.esp39  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3A  OCOD+FrostcragSpire Patch.esp3B  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]3C  Knights.esp3D  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]3E  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]3F  The Lost Spires.esp40  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]41  The Lost Spires_delayer.esp  [Version 1.1]42  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.21.Non-COBL]43  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.7]44  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]45  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0]47  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]48  NRB4+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]49  Open Cities New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.1]4A  Open Cities Outer Districts.esp  [Version 3.5.3]4B  Open Cities Full.esp  [Version 3.5.3]4C  NRB4+OCOD Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]4D  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp4E  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp4F  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]50  ATakesAll.esp51  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]52  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]53  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]54  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]55  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]56  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Faregyl.esp57  AFK_Blades_EQ.esp  [Version 1.2]58  AFK_ICTempleCleanup.esp  [Version 1.0.LtPD]59  AFK_Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.0.Non-COBL]5A  AFK_Arena.esp  [Version 1.0]5B  AFK_Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.5]5C  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0]5D  AFK_MausoleumDemo.esp

[Arthmoor]

Master Dwip, thy bashed patch is unhappy with you.

[prettyfly]

For the record, here is my (gaming) list as well (though I really need to do some updating at that).

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2]02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm09  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.5.6]0A  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp  [Version 1.06]0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0C  LoadingScreens.esp0D  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0E  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp++  Better Lava by elveon.esp0F  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]10  WindowLightingSystem.esp11  AliveWaters.esp12  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp13  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp14  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp++  Brighter_Torches.esp15  Fish! - v1.1.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]16  Mage_Guild_Teleport.esp17  P1DseeYouSleep.esp18  PTFallingStars.esp19  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.3.1]1A  Crowded Roads.esp  [Version 2.0]1B  Populated Prisons.esp1C  Purge Cell Buffers - Cell Change.esp  [Version 1.0.0]1D  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]1E  CapesandCloaks.esp++  CM_Better Wine.esp++  RustyItems.esp1F  Thieves Arsenal.esp20  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]21  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]22  Alluring Potion Bottles.esp23  OCC-OOO-Patch.esp  [Version 2.4]24  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]25  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]26  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]27  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]28  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]29  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]2A  00RBScribeSupplies Intensive.esp2B  A_ship_near_Anvil-7781.esp2C  Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp2D  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.8]2E  BrotherhoodRenewed - Oblivion XP Patch.esp2F  Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp30  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp31  Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp32  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp33  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp34  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp35  OCC-KR-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp36  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp37  GlenvarCastle.esp38  Malevolent.esp39  OCC-Malevolent-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]3A  Nerussa The Wine Collector v1.0.esp3B  Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp3C  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]3D  Elder Council Plugin 1.1.esp3E  Villages1.1.esp3F  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.3]40  za_bankmod.esp41  TOTF.esp42  OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp  [Version 4.3]++  TOTF Delayer.esp43  RTT.esp44  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]45  OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]46  The Lost Spires.esp47  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]48  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]49  Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]4A  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.7]4B  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4C  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4D  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0]4E  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0]4F  PTMudwater.esp50  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]51  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp52  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]53  xulTheHeath.esp54  XulEntiusGorge.esp55  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]56  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]57  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]58  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]59  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]5A  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp5B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]5D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]5E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]60  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp61  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]62  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]63  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]64  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp65  xulPantherRiver.esp66  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]67  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]68  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]69  RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp  [Version 1.3.4]6A  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]6B  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6C  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp6D  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp6E  Villages-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp6F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]70  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]71  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0]72  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]73  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp74  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp75  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]76  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]77  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp78  ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]79  Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp  [Version 0.8]7A  OCR+ULCH Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]7B  OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7C  OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]7D  OC+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]7E  NRB4+RR Patch.esp  [Version 2.1]7F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]80  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp81  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.1.3]82  MidasSpells.esp83  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]84  Oblivion XP.esp85  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Glenvar Castle.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]86  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]87  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]88  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]89  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]8A  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]8B  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]8C  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp**  NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]8D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

[Dwip]

I'm aware. The actual load order is from some mid-test or mid-edit thing. I don't think I've actually been in-game since Faregyl was in testing.

[Arthmoor]

And since we seem to be sharing load orders again:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]03  Harvest[Containers].esm04  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3]05  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.0]06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]07  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]08  VASE - core.esm09  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0A  CM Partners.esm0B  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]0C  Children Of Rourken.esm0D  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0E  Windfall.esm0F  GTAesgaard_2.esm10  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.5]12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.2]13  DLCShiveringIsles.esp14  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]++  Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla.esp++  Harvest[Containers] - SI.esp15  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.3]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3]17  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]18  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]19  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]++  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]1A  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]1B  Happyhannah's Wines.esp  [Version 1.1]1C  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]1D  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.2]++  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]1E  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLArmaVendor.esp  [Version 1.35]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]1F  AFK_Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.5]20  TIE.esp  [Version 1.45]21  IlluminateStaves.esp22  Immersive Travelers.esp23  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.3]++  VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp24  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.7]25  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]26  DLCHorseArmor.esp27  DLCOrrery.esp28  DLCFrostcrag.esp29  DLCThievesDen.esp2A  DLCVileLair.esp2B  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2C  DLCSpellTomes.esp2D  Knights.esp2E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp2F  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]30  OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]31  OCOD+FrostcragSpire Patch.esp32  AFK_Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.0.COBL]33  Whispered Warning.esp34  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp35  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp36  OCC-KR-Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]37  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp38  RTT.esp  [Version 3.01]39  RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.1]3A  OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]3B  Malevolent.esp  [Version 1.02]3C  OCC-Malevolent-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]3D  GTAesgaard.esp3E  GTAesgaard_2.esp3F  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]40  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]++  CybiadesAIDelayer.esp41  Nascosto Isles 3.esp42  All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]43  COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp44  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]45  WeynonRetreat.esp  [Version 1.4]46  The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 1.4]47  OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]48  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5.1]49  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]4A  Windfall.esp4B  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]4C  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]4D  HackdirtCaverns.esp4E  Mimics!.esp4F  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.12]50  EaglesRest.esp  [Version 1.0]51  Better Benirus Manor.esp  [Version 4.71]52  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp53  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp54  BDBS - Chapel Memorial.esp55  Gaelendryl.esp56  Dungeons Merger.esp57  Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp58  Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp59  JQ-Return_of_Dagoth_Ur.esp5A  TheOubliette.esp5B  DarknessHollows.esp5C  PTArtifacts.esp5D  Valley_View_Estate.esp5E  OC+Valley View Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  InnsOfCyrodill.esp60  ShezriesTownsMaster.esp61  LostSpires+PellsGate Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]62  TR_Stirk.esp63  Stirk_Compatibility_Patch.esp64  To Feed an Empire - 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I may pull Harvest Containers out. While it's a neat thing to see, I've been discovering that NPCs can't properly activate affected containers and some of the less responsible ones are resorting to crime to feed themselves.

[Kayle]

Before I try and install it, will Immersive Interiors clash with the Interior's stuff of All Natural Weather?

[prettyfly]

No, because it was designed to work with it (well, more accurately, developed around it) :grinning:

[Kayle]

Alright, well, I'll install that in a bit then. The next question, in Wyre Bash, after I installed... Hmm. Screenshot might work better...Those yellow squares are conflicts, but they're only showing up when the various texture packs are installed, is that normal?

[prettyfly]

Normal on my install, at least. I think they just indicate that various textures within one pack have been overwritten by another.

[Arthmoor]

You're going to want to fix the install order on that. QTP3 and whatever the QTP3-R patch are will both need to be above AWLS and RAEVWD. The QTP3-R patch also needs to be BELOW QTP3 Redimized. The way you have things set up now, QTP3 Redimized is overriding everything before it.Somewhere around here was a post with the install order. I really should turn that into a help article.

[Kayle]

Oh that's not my load order, that's just the order they were loaded into the Wyre Bash Installer.

[Arthmoor]

Yes, but you don't understand. Package order is important in this case. They need to be listed in the right order or you'll have things overridden that you don't want overridden. Such as every last one of the AWLS meshes being blocked by QTP3 the way you have it now.They can be repositioned just as easily as the load order btw. ctrl+arrow to move a package around.

[Hana]

Somewhere around here was a post with the install order. I really should turn that into a help article.

It'd be nice if you could find it, that might help my UOPS issue or at least help me confirm my install order is (and always has been) correct.

[Kayle]

But I installed QTP3 before the patch, and AWLS was installed last.. Why does the order they show up in the menu matter with the way I click them and install them?

[Arthmoor]

You see the column numbered from 0 thru 11? That tells you what order BAIN installed them in. Right now, they're out of order. You will end up with the last one on the list, QTP3 Redimized, overriding everything it says it conflicts with from earlier. Meaning you won't be seeing AWLS stuff, and you won't even have the proper patches for QTP3-R in place.I'll just write up a new install order and stick it in a help article. I know QSFP's help article system sucks but in this case it'll be better than fishing for some lost post.

[Kayle]

So do I need to uninstall all of these and reinstall them once I have them in the proper order?

[Arthmoor]

Ye olde help article: http://www.afkmods.com/index.php?a=help#h3And no. You can use the ctrl+arrow keys to reposition the packages in the list, then right click somewhere and do an "anneal all" and BAIN will figure out the rest.

[Hana]

Well crap, now why do I have QTP3 first and the UOP second? Been that way forever. Oh well, time for a clean-up anyway.Thanks for that, Samson.