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When the Skyrim: Anniversary Edition was released I started a new game. Cleaned, patched, and with many mods on top (see list below).

I am around 53 hours in and there is only one glitch that I found so far. It happened 2 times.

First time around was when I visited the shrine of the Daedric Prince of Boethiah. When I tried to loot the NPC Eranya, the game froze. No CTD, but nothing happened either. So I Alt-Tabbed out and continued from an earlier save.

Second time happened in Ansilvund Excavation. I was picking the lock of a container and the game froze again.

I was running with a couple companions and had autosaves on, so I did an experiment.

I ordered companion Sofia to loot the container. After that, I could open the empty container. However, when I tried to access Sofia's inventory, the game froze.

This reminds me that there might be some item from a mod that is not behaving very well.


I would be very grateful if anyone could help me out fixing this glitch.


List of Mods:


Active Plugins:
00  Skyrim.esm
01  Update.esm
02  Dawnguard.esm
03  HearthFires.esm
04  Dragonborn.esm
05  ccASVSSE001-ALMSIVI.esm
06  ccBGSSSE001-Fish.esm
07  ccBGSSSE002-ExoticArrows.esl
08  ccBGSSSE003-Zombies.esl
09  ccBGSSSE004-RuinsEdge.esl
0A  ccBGSSSE005-Goldbrand.esl
0B  ccBGSSSE006-StendarsHammer.esl
0C  ccBGSSSE007-Chrysamere.esl
0D  ccBGSSSE010-PetDwarvenArmoredMudcrab.esl
0E  ccBGSSSE011-HrsArmrElvn.esl
0F  ccBGSSSE012-HrsArmrStl.esl
10  ccBGSSSE014-SpellPack01.esl
11  ccBGSSSE019-StaffofSheogorath.esl
12  ccBGSSSE020-GrayCowl.esl
13  ccBGSSSE021-LordsMail.esl
14  ccMTYSSE001-KnightsoftheNine.esl
15  ccQDRSSE001-SurvivalMode.esl
16  ccTWBSSE001-PuzzleDungeon.esm
17  ccEEJSSE001-Hstead.esm
18  ccQDRSSE002-Firewood.esl
19  ccBGSSSE018-Shadowrend.esl
1A  ccBGSSSE035-PetNHound.esl
1B  ccFSVSSE001-Backpacks.esl
1C  ccEEJSSE002-Tower.esl
1D  ccEDHSSE001-NorJewel.esl
1E  ccVSVSSE002-Pets.esl
1F  ccBGSSSE037-Curios.esl
20  ccBGSSSE034-MntUni.esl
21  ccBGSSSE045-Hasedoki.esl
22  ccBGSSSE008-Wraithguard.esl
23  ccBGSSSE036-PetBWolf.esl
24  ccFFBSSE001-ImperialDragon.esl
25  ccMTYSSE002-VE.esl
26  ccBGSSSE043-CrossElv.esl
27  ccVSVSSE001-Winter.esl
28  ccEEJSSE003-Hollow.esl
29  ccBGSSSE016-Umbra.esm
2A  ccBGSSSE031-AdvCyrus.esm
2B  ccBGSSSE038-BowofShadows.esl
2C  ccBGSSSE040-AdvObGobs.esl
2D  ccBGSSSE050-BA_Daedric.esl
2E  ccBGSSSE052-BA_Iron.esl
2F  ccBGSSSE054-BA_Orcish.esl
30  ccBGSSSE058-BA_Steel.esl
31  ccBGSSSE059-BA_Dragonplate.esl
32  ccBGSSSE061-BA_Dwarven.esl
33  ccPEWSSE002-ArmsOfChaos.esl
34  ccBGSSSE041-NetchLeather.esl
35  ccEDHSSE002-SplKntSet.esl
36  ccBGSSSE064-BA_Elven.esl
37  ccBGSSSE063-BA_Ebony.esl
38  ccBGSSSE062-BA_DwarvenMail.esl
39  ccBGSSSE060-BA_Dragonscale.esl
3A  ccBGSSSE056-BA_Silver.esl
3B  ccBGSSSE055-BA_OrcishScaled.esl
3C  ccBGSSSE053-BA_Leather.esl
3D  ccBGSSSE051-BA_DaedricMail.esl
3E  ccBGSSSE057-BA_Stalhrim.esl
3F  ccBGSSSE066-Staves.esl
40  ccBGSSSE067-DaedInv.esm
41  ccBGSSSE068-Bloodfall.esl
42  ccBGSSSE069-Contest.esl
43  ccVSVSSE003-NecroArts.esl
44  ccVSVSSE004-BeAFarmer.esl
45  ccBGSSSE025-AdvDSGS.esm
46  ccFFBSSE002-CrossbowPack.esl
47  ccBGSSSE013-Dawnfang.esl
48  ccRMSSSE001-NecroHouse.esl
49  ccEDHSSE003-Redguard.esl
4A  ccEEJSSE004-Hall.esl
4B  ccEEJSSE005-Cave.esm
4C  ccKRTSSE001_Altar.esl
4D  ccCBHSSE001-Gaunt.esl
4E  ccAFDSSE001-DweSanctuary.esm
4F  Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp  [Version 4.2.8]
50  Unofficial Skyrim Creation Club Content Patch.esl
51  RSkyrimChildren.esm  [Version 1.1.2]
52  MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
53  Occ_Skyrim_Tamriel.esp
54  TrueHUD.esl
55  3DNPC.esp
56  MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
57  RealisticWaterTwo - Resources.esm
58  myrwatchhomefixer.esp
59  Occ_Skyrim_AnnEdition.esp
5A  Lux - Resources.esp
5B  Lux - Master plugin.esm
5C  UHDAP - en0.esp
5D  UHDAP - en1.esp
5E  UHDAP - en2.esp
5F  UHDAP - en3.esp
60  UHDAP - en4.esp
61  UHDAP - MusicHQ.esp
62  FISS.esp
63  SkyUI_SE.esp
64  Particle Patch for ENB.esp
65  Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
66  Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp
67  AOS_ISC_Integration.esp
68  SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
69  MfgFix.esp
6A  VioLens SE.esp  [Version 2.30]
6B  DeadlyCombat.esp
6C  DeadlyCombatMCM.esp
6D  Improved Eyes Skyrim - Serana.esp
6E  Improved Eyes Skyrim - Vamp.esp
6F  Improved Eyes Skyrim.esp
70  Heritage_02.esp
71  Flame Meshes Patch.esp
72  Smoking Torches And Candles.esp
73  Weapons Armor Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp  [Version 2.9.1]
74  FNIS.esp
75  SGEyebrows.esp
76  WM Flora Fixes.esp  [Version 1.0]
77  ENB Light.esp
78  AOS - ENB Light patch.esp
79  Vivid WeathersSE.esp
7A  Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Vivid Weathers Patch.esp
7B  Folkvangr - Grass and Landscape Overhaul.esp
7C  Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
7D  Book Covers Skyrim.esp
7E  WACCF_Armor and Clothing Extension.esp  [Version 1.5]
7F  Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp  [Version 8]
80  Joy of Perspective.esp
81  WetandCold.esp
82  Vivid Weathers - Wet and Cold patch.esp
83  NoGrassias Ultimate.esp
84  Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
85  Origins Of Forest - 3D Forest Grass.esp
86  MajesticMountains.esp
87  Cloaks.esp
88  Inigo.esp
89  EmbersHD.esp
8A  SofiaFollower.esp
8B  ISC_drinking_sound_fix.esp
8C  Footprints.esp
8D  Footprints - ENB.esp
8E  Rudy Nordic Pottery SSE.esp
8F  Legendary Alpha Shields.esp
90  HPP - Vaermina's Torpor.esp
91  PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp
92  PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp
93  Frost Meshes Patch.esp
94  TrueDirectionalMovement.esp
95  MCMHelper.esp
96  RSC 3DNPC Patch.esp
97  RaceMenu.esp
98  XPMSE.esp
99  aMidianBorn_Book of Silence.esp
9A  icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp
9B  3DNPC0.esp
9C  3DNPC1.esp
9D  iHUD.esp
9E  dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
9F  ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
A0  FranklyHDImperialArmorsAndWeapons.esp
A1  Inigo Riding Patch (ESPFE).esp
A2  SofiaTaleOfTheTongues.esp
A3  Sofia - USSEP & Hearthfires Patch.esp
A4  Sofia - RDO Patch.esp
A5  Immersive Patrols II.esp
A6  Lucien.esp  [Version 1.6.3]
A7  Lucien-AnniversaryEdition-Patch.esp  [Version 1.6.3a]
A8  InigoWhistleKey.esp
A9  Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
AA  Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
AB  MyrwatchVaultFix - USCCCP Patch.esp
AC  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
AD  Immersive Weapons.esp
AE  Enhanced Enemy AI.esp
AF  Immersive Weapons_WACCF_Patch.esp
B0  Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
B1  RDO - AFT v1.66 Patch.esp
B2  HothFollower.esp
B3  RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
B4  Unique Uniques.esp  [Version 1.8]
B5  Ars Metallica.esp  [Version 2.0.6]
B6  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
B7  Convenient Horses.esp
B8  Convenient Horses Anniversary Edition Patch.esp
B9  OpenFaceGuardHelmetsSSE.esp
BA  Dr_Bandolier.esp
BB  Bijin AIO.esp
BC  DSerCombatGameplayOverhaul.esp
BD  ISC Immersive Armors Patch.esp
**  JoP - Immersive Armors Patch.esp
BE  RSChildren.esp  [Version 1.2.0]
BF  skyforgedShields.esp
C0  SofiaFollowerBodyFix.esp
C1  AOS_EBT Patch.esp
**  WACCF_ACE_JOP_Patch.esp
C2  SubsurfaceScatteringShader.esp
C3  Lux.esp
C4  Lux - Bittercup Patch.esp
C5  Lux - CC Fish patch.esp
C6  Lux - Bloodchill Manor patch.esp
C7  Lux - Dawnfang CC.esp
C8  Lux - Dead Mans Dread Patch.esp
C9  Lux - Elite Crossbows.esp
CA  Lux - Farmer patch.esp
CB  Lux - Forgotten Seasons.esp
CC  Lux - Ghosts of the Tribunal CC.esp
CD  Lux - Hendraheim patch.esp
CE  Lux - Myrwatch patch.esp
CF  Lux - Nchuanthumz Dwarven Home patch.esp
D0  Lux - Necrohouse patch.esp
D1  Lux - Pets of Skyrim CC.esp
D2  Lux - Saints and Seducers patch.esp
D3  Lux - Shadowfoot Sanctum patch.esp
D4  Lux - Staff of Hasedoki CC.esp
D5  Lux - The Cause patch.esp
D6  Lux - Tundra Homestead patch.esp
D7  Lux - USSEP patch.esp
D8  Lux - Umbra CC.esp
D9  Lux - Vigil Enforcer CC.esp
DA  Lux - Wraithguard patch.esp
DB  RealisticWaterTwo.esp
DC  RealisticWaterTwo - Alt Volcanic Watercolor.esp
DD  RealisticWaterTwo - Myrwatch Patch.esp
DE  Landscape Patches.esp
DF  VIS-Core-JOP-Patch.esp
E0  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
E1  Smashed Patch.esp  [Version 44]




I do not know much of Creation Kit scripting. But I leave the question: is it possible to inspect the FormID's from the items in the container? Then, say, try to pin the mod that added or modified that item with help of xEdit?


Thank you in advance.




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Unless someone spots a mod that they know to have a history of causing this issue, you will likely have to troubleshoot the problem yourself.  Very likely it is a mod added item, but you may wish to verify the Master files just to rule out that it is an issue with them. Next thing to do is to check that you have all the required patches as needed for your mods, and that all your mods have all their requirements installed. Finally, if you still have the issue, you need to troubleshoot your load order.  For that, follow this general outline: Troubleshooting Your Load Order

As for using tools such as xEdit, if you were already familiar with it, then it would definitely be worthwhile to take a look at your build in it.  However, unless you already know what you should be looking for and why, it would take far longer to learn how to use xEdit to spot potential issues and conflicts, than it would to track down the issue without using it.

Good luck, tyco!  Let us know how things go.

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It's probably not related, but one thing that stands out to me is that you have two different automated conflict resolution patches active. The Bashed Patch, and a Smashed Patch.

You should only be using the one generated by Wrye Bash. The one from xEdit is obsolete and has been something that Elminster is considering pulling from the program.

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3 minutes ago, Arthmoor said:

It's probably not related, but one thing that stands out to me is that you have two different automated conflict resolution patches active. The Bashed Patch, and a Smashed Patch.

You should only be using the one generated by Wrye Bash. The one from xEdit is obsolete and has been something that Elminster is considering pulling from the program.

I missed that - but yeah, the Smashed Patch has been obsolete for a quite a long while, and is likely overwriting info in the Bashed Patch, causing issues.  Though, as Arthmoor said, that may not be related to your problem.  Still, it should be taken care of.

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Thank you for taking the time to reply.

I suspect there is a leveled list problem. It affects items from mages (Eranya was a mage, the container and other mages inside Ansilvund Excavation have that kind of loot as well).

Figured there were some "mashed" settings that I did not understand very well. I won't use smashed patch anymore.


Btw, some plugins were handcrafted in xEdit. They affect some compatibility that was lost even with WryeBash (Joy of Perspective, immersive sounds and grass preferences from "No Grassias"). Maybe I just need to learn to apply the right tags and let Bashed Patch take care of it.

I will be following your recommendations, starting a new game with less mods installed at once, and try to add one by one.


It's crazy, but I never finished Skyrim (Oldrim). Last played Special Edition in 2019. I am able to boot the save game, even played for a while with these mods until a random crash appeared.

But mostly, I was just too confused from the choices I made! So right now I am aiming for a bug free (hopefully) AE game.


Guess killing that troll never gets old.



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