MyHouseATL Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I posted this over at the Nexus forums but, I thought this might be a good place to get more info, so, here it my issue: I have been modding LE for 3-4 years. I consider myself a competent moder. Of course, there where mature tools to fix LE by the time I started modding. I have to say that I am disappointing with the stability of SE! Or, am I doing something totally wrong? My current load order won't allow me to play more than about 10th level before I start CTD'ing to a point where it is unplayable. Before that level, totally stable! And there isn't a place, or point, other than my level, where the failure starts. I can't attribute the failure to any one mod, because it's so random. Once I reach 10th level, I know the time I have to play is limited. Soon there will be a crash. So, I cracked open my load and started looking for conflicts that would cause my CTD. Currently, I have been trying to play Outlaws and Revolutionaries. Looks like a great mod. At first, I would get CTD's when I entered Coldwater Cave. (I was at 10th level...) So, I started a new game, went straight to the cave. No problem. Went into the cave. I thought, great, I'll start a new game with this load as my play through. Completed a few quests, leveled up to get some descent armor and headed to Coldwater cave. Made to the cage where the main quest releases a prisoner and bang. CTD! 10th level, CTD I can't get past. Reloads, trying different way's to get around it all unsuccessful. Dead play through again. In Tes5edit, that area had absolutely no conflicts. Nothing touched that area except Outlaws. I have SSE fixes loaded, a Cobj smash patch, Bash patch (Tried the separate and together), and even once tried a comparability patch through Tes5Edit. (To the best of my ability) Nothing seem to help. Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it. If anyone can give me an idea where to start looking. I would appreciate it. Load order: Spoiler # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Dawnguard.esm HearthFires.esm Dragonborn.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp RaceCompatibility.esm ApachiiHair.esm FISS.esp BSAssets.esm BSHeartland.esm Falskaar.esm Gray Fox Cowl.esm DynDOLOD.esm BS_DLC_patch.esp ImCh.esm Campfire.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Devious Devices - Assets.esm Devious Devices - Integration.esm Apachii_DivineEleganceStore.esm ApachiiHairFemales.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm daymoyl.esm Colorful_Magic.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm Cutting Room Floor.esp SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp widescreen_skyui_fix.esp SkyUI_SE.esp iHUD.esp SkyHUD.esp SkyHUD - iHUD Patch.esp CharacterMakingExtender.esp BlendedRoads.esp tpos_ultimate_esm.esp TrueStormsSE.esp Vivid WeathersSE.esp Vivid Weathers SE - Classic.esp RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp Whiterun Forest Borealis.esp Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin SSE Version.esp Landscape Fixes For Grass Mods.esp Friendlier Taverns.esp XPMSSE.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp PC Head Tracking - Patch.esp FNIS.esp UIExtensions.esp AddItemMenuSE.esp Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul - Skyrim.esp Immersive Sounds - Compendium.esp LSFX-SSE-Audiosettings.esp Skysan_Icicle.esp SoundsofSkyrimComplete.esp iWil_UselessShopOverhaul.esp TTR_Skill_Overhaul.esp Skyrim Revamped - Complete Enemy Overhaul.esp JoP - Apachii DivineElegance Patch.esp Prettier Bandits.esp QaxeQuestorium.esp BHTNFBP.esp SexLab_DibellaCult.esp Cidhna Mine Expanded.esp Snowy AF Windhelm.espCRF - Lighting Overhaul.esp ZIA_Complete Pack_V4.esp MajesticMountains_Moss.esp SimplyBiggerTreesSE.esp SkyrimBounties.esp NBsNPCApachiiHair.esp Bijin AIO.esp AR_Frea.esp LazyHeels.esp GetOverHereSpells.esp AMatterOfTime.esp SmartCast_1_0.esp Spells Emit Light - Bright.esp DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp GIST soul trap.esp GIST-MLPSoulGems-patch.esp MLPSoulGems.esp SmartEquip.esp PlayRandomIdle.esp icepenguinworldmapclassic.esp SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp BetterQuestObjectives.esp DSAMG - Greybeard Fix.esp BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp DustEffectsSSE.esp MiniBikini.esp LookCloser.esp lm_astronach.esp sandboxcylinderheight.esp SparklesSE.esp Simple AUA.esp SLAnimLoader.esp SexLab Warmbodies.esp SexLabDangerousNights2.esp Lock_Overhaul.esp LingerieSetCBBE3_2ByNausicaa.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp Men of Winter.esp Men of Winter - Compatibility Patch.esp Clockwork.esp JKs Whiterun.esp Joy of Perspective.esp TERAArmorsSSE.esp TeraArmorSSE Level List LOOT.esp EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp Serana Dialogue Edit.esp HearthfireMultiKid.esp HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp DarkerNights-BeyondSkyrimBruma.esp DarkerNights.esp Vivid_TS_Patch_Surreal.esp SoS_VividWeathers_Patch.esp SoS_TrueStorms_Patch.esp dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp dD-Larger Splatter Size.esp dD-Medium Script Range.esp dD-No Screen Blood.esp ISC Enhanced Blood Patch.esp KS Hairdo's.esp MajesticMountains.esp PC Head Tracking - MCM.esp RidiculousCW.esp VioLens SE.esp More Clutter In Skyrim.esp JK's Riverwood.esp Skyrim Better Roads and Bridges - All In One - Merged.esp Run For Your Lives.esp Ars Metallica.esp Concentrated Potions.esp SLALAnimObj.esp AsharaElvenKnight.esp Adult Armor.esp Shiva's Vanilla Clothing Replacer.esp Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp Tiwa44_Minidresses_CBBE.esp Tiwa44_Minidresses_Dragonborn_CBBE.esp Sweet Lolis.esp VisualAnimatedEnchants.esp fallentreebridges.esp SkyrimImprovedPuddles-DG-HF-DB.esp MiasLair.esp Frostfall.esp Frostfall_Seasonal_Temps_patch.esp DoubleBedsAreForTwoPeople.esp SexLab_Dialogues.esp know_your_enemy.esp kye_bruma_patch.esp SRCEO - Know Your Enemy Patch.esp kye_crf_patch.esp Dolls.esp Serio's Enhanced Dragons.esp ERSO 03 - Soft Slighty Mighty Dragons.esp Devious Cidhna.esp Apachii_DivineEleganceStore_Patch.esp Shezzarscairn.esp Improved Adoptions.esp SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp Improved Adoptions Patch.esp WetandCold.esp Vivid_TSPatch_Wet&Cold_AddOn.esp DBCO_ALL_IN_ONE.esp Blacksmith Forge Water Fix SE USSEP.esp R18pn - lingerie Set.esp FNISspells.esp DiverseWerewolvesCollection.esp MoreWerewolves.esp Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Cutting Room Floor Locations.esp The Manipulator.esp Animations.esp CC'sEnhancedOreVeinsSSE-HearthfirePatch.esp Race Scale Remover.esp Killable Children Patch.esp Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp Predator Vision.esp Apophysis_DPM_SE.esp Derrax_Male_Werewolf_AnimalPenis_SpecialEdition.esp Dollls_Diabella Patch.esp AnubAnimObj.esp Footprints.esp TeraArmorsSSE Enchantment Patch.esp Viscous Foliage -Tweaks.esp Backshields.esp LazyCBP.esp FacelightPlus.esp Eyes of Aber.esp Cherry's Eyes.esp NQS_NamedQuicksave.esp Armoured Skelemere.esp LABikiniSSE.esp LADX_SSE.esp TeraArmorsSSE LOOT USSEP Patch.esp EmbersHD.esp JKs Whiterun exterior.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp haijin Adversary - The Midian -.esp middenexpandedlitesse.esp WCCO_All-In-One.esp konahrik, the priest.esp Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp College Bridge Light Fix - Clean ITM and Remove Unnecessary Record.esp Forge Water Fix - CRF Patch.esp Cute Serana.esp LightningPreset.esp Lydia.esp SilverKnightArmorLydia.esp iLuvLoading.esp DLCSpellsVanilla.esp Dibella Blade, Dovah Luv and 11 JaySuS Swords.esp bm_SimpleAction.esp opmfgconsole.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SkyrimBountiesKSHair.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp Convenient Horses.esp ImCh - ICAIO Full patch.esp CH Bruma Patch.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp ELE_SSE.esp RealisticWaterTwo.esp BetterQuestObjectives-AlternateStartPatch.esp SoS_ELE_Patch.esp RAO - Alternate Start Patch.esp RealisticWaterTwo - Watercolor.esp tpos_allinone_patch_01.esp RealisticWaterTwo+-+Verdant+Patch.esp RWT - People of Skyrim Patch.esp Immersive Citizens - ELE patch.esp Landscape Fixes For Grass mods - Alternate start Locations.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp DynDOLOD.esp I would post my Papyrus log but, it is different every time I start getting CTD's. 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Leonardo Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 1 hour ago, MyHouseATL said: Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it. This is likely what's causing your issue, because form 44 is for SSE mods and I think the form 44 is also used for Fallout 4 mods. I suggest that you reinstall those mods you removed the form 44 and never touch that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drizzan Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 From what he wrote I understand it as the OP moved over to SSE. Anyways it that CTD location specific? You crash anywhere else or only at that location at level 10? You might wanna make a reddit thread aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hana Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 To re-iterate on what Leo said, any mods you use in Skyrim SE should be properly ported. That means esp's need to be Form 44. Any Form 43 esp's are going to make your game unstable, that's a fact. Basically you've done yourself a disservice by changing them. Properly ported mods also entail conversion of assets, be it meshes/textures/animations. There's an entire thread here on this forum about proper conversions. That could be one problem. To get back to the point where you mention this mod Outlaws and Revolutionaries. Have you tested a playthrough (clean start from the beginning) without that mod to see if you still start getting CTD's at level 10? That would at least narrow down the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sclerocephalus Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Considering the fact that the crashes appear to be level-dependent, the first thing that comes to mind is a mod-added armor or weapon with a faulty mesh that is distributed through leveled lists and does not appear in the game below level 10. It might be worth having a look at the leveled list sections of your armor and weapon mods (there shouldn't be too many as there are still only a few modders that go the way of properly integrating their items in the game) and check what they add at level 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 On 5/7/2018 at 2:08 PM, MyHouseATL said: Lastly, went through and removed form 44 everywhere I could find it. I sincerely hope you mean you removed form 43 mods and not that you went around changing things manually from 44 to 43, because if you did that, your game is toast. Not to mention that a number of people have reported CTDs caused by using SSE Fixes rather than it helping resolve them. So you may have 2 things working against you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHouseATL Posted May 9, 2018 Author Share Posted May 9, 2018 Thanks everyone, I did pay special attention to mods I converted to make sure they are form 43. However, I was doing a bash patch when I noticed several mods that came with other mods that still have form 44! I will convert them and retest to see if that is the cause. I don't believe outlaws is the problem because I have played without it and had the same issue. How would I go about finding what leveled list is added at level 10? That is an interesting suggestion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Not sure you're understanding here. All mods used in SSE must be form 44 or you'll risk corrupting your saves over time, along with experiencing random weird errors that won't be easy to pin down. Do not attempt to downgrade any of them to version 43 because that will wreck the plugins themselves: https://bethesda.net/community/post/492878 (SMKViper is a Bethesda developer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 4 hours ago, MyHouseATL said: I did pay special attention to mods I converted to make sure they are form 43. However, I was doing a bash patch when I noticed several mods that came with other mods that still have form 44! I will convert them and retest to see if that is the cause. I don't believe outlaws is the problem because I have played without it and had the same issue. Why you're having the same issue with the outlaws, regardless what mods you are using, is exactly what Arthmoor and Hana said. Any mod that has form 44 is what every SSE mods must have, otherwise you'll always have an issue regardless what you do. Except for not removing form 44 from mods that has form 44 to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHouseATL Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 7:33 PM, Leonardo said: Why you're having the same issue with the outlaws, regardless what mods you are using, is exactly what Arthmoor and Hana said. Any mod that has form 44 is what every SSE mods must have, otherwise you'll always have an issue regardless what you do. Except for not removing form 44 from mods that has form 44 to begin with. Yes, I saw several posts about form 44. I have been diligent in insuring mods I convert are moved to form 44. What I didn't account for is other mod authors conversions. (I meant to say 43...) Thanks Arthmoor. I think this is my problem. When I get some time, I will convert mods I found not to be form 44 and re-test... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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