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[LightHawk]

Hey guys,

 

I'm fairly new to modding and still learning how to get everything to work well but I'm starting to lose hope with my current Problem because I dont know which mod causes it.

As it is the game is running perfectly fine, as long as I dont leave the areas covered in snow. Ive also made it far enough into "green" ares to know that some trees don't seem to load properly. My first thought was to diable SFO but that didn't change anything at all. Same thing with Skyrim HD 2k Textures. Seeing as these two are the latest ones I've installed I'm not sure what else amy cause this all the sudden. Then again I haven't left the snow for quite a while before so I couldn't encounter this problem before.

 

I'm running Skyrim on Windows 10, 8GB RAM, GTX 980, i5-2500k@3.30GHz

Mods are installed using NMM.

 

As for my loadorder (using LOOT)

 

  0  0 Skyrim.esm
  1  1 Update.esm
  2  2 Dragonborn.esm
  3  3 HearthFires.esm
  4  4 Dawnguard.esm
  5  5 Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
  6  6 hdtHighHeel.esm
  7  7 MolagBalsInferno.esm
  8  8 Dragon Break.esm
  9  9 0db2SECOND.esm
 10  a SexLab.esm
 11  b daymoyl.esm
 12  c Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
 13  d Nock2Tip.esm
 14  e notice board.esp
 15  f ApachiiHair.esm
 16 10 RaceCompatibility.esm
 17 11 Gray Fox Cowl.esm
 18 12 Wyrmstooth.esp
 19 13 Falskaar.esm
 20 14 WM Flora Fixes.esp
 21 15 JSwords.esm
 22 16 SexLabAroused.esm
 23 17 Devious Devices - Assets.esm
 24 18 ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 25 19 ZaZAnimationPack.esm
 26 1a Devious Devices - Integration.esm
 27 1b Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
 28 1c CreatureFramework.esm
 29 1d EFFCore.esm
 30 1e Extra Encounters Reborn - Basic.esm
 31 1f SkyUI.esp
 32 20 FNIS.esp
 33 21 FNISspells.esp
 34 22 NoAnimalsReportCrimes-DG+DB.esp
 35 23 dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
 36 24 RaceMenu.esp
 37 25 RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 38 26 IceBladeOfTheMonarch.esp
 39 27 XPMSE.esp
 40 28 0db2patch.esp
 41 29 PATCHDragon Break.esp
 42 2a RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 43 2b GetStripped.esp
 44 2c Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
 45 2d Alternate Start -- New Beginnings.esp
 46 2e Escape the Cell.esp
 47 2f daymoyl_DawnguardAddon.esp
 48 30 da_alternate_start_extension.esp
 49 31 FNISSexyMove.esp
 50 32 Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
 51 33 SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
 52 34 SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
 53 35 SexLab-AmorousAdventures.esp
 54 36 Nock2Tip.esp
 55 37 DSerArcheryGameplayOverhaul.esp
 56 38 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp
 57 39 Daedric Reaper Armor.esp
 58 3a Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB - Flame Atronach Fix.esp
 59 3b Darklilith.esp
 60 3c TheEyesOfBeauty.esp
 61 3d SexyBikinis.esp
 62 3e AzuraHouse.esp
 63 3f ForgottenCity.esp
 64 40 SuccubusRaceLite.esp
 65 41 ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
 66 42 Recorder Follower Base.esp
 67 43 Godswords - Johnskyrim.esp
 68 44 Undeath.esp
 69 45 WheelsOfLull.esp
 70 46 BadGremlinsJarHunt.esp
 71 47 SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
 72 48 AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp
 73 49 konahrik_accoutrements.esp
 74 4a konahrik_accoutrements_db.esp
 75 4b CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
 76 4c Helgen Reborn.esp
 77 4d Dr_Bandolier.esp
 78 4e Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
 79 4f Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
 80 50 LegacyoftheDragonborn.esp
 81 51 DBM_PersistentLegacy.esp
 82 52 Vigilant.esp
 83 53 SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
 84 54 FireAndIceOverhaul.esp
 85 55 WATER DG + DB.esp
 86 56 WATER Plants.esp
 87 57 WATER Falskaar.esp
 88 58 Argonian Access.esp
 89 59 Better Dynamic Snow.esp
 90 5a Moss Rocks - Legendary.esp
 91 5b More Interesting Loot for Skyrim.esp
 92 5c DBM_MoreInterestingLoot_Patch.esp
 93 5d SL99Exchanger.esp
 94 5e Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
 95 5f CACO_LegacyoftheDragonborn_Patch.esp
 96 60 Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
 97 61 DBM_CCOR_patch.esp
 98 62 Immersive Weapons.esp
 99 63 dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
100 64 dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
101 65 dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
102 66 Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
103 67 DBM_WAFR Patch.esp
104 68 Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
105 69 WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
106 6a MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
107 6b DBM_MAS_Patch.esp
108 6c Immersive Jewelry.esp
109 6d DBM_ImmersiveJewelry_Addon.esp
110 6e Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
111 6f Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
112 70 DBM_IWIA_Patch.esp
113 71 PrvtI_HeavyArmory.esp
114 72 DBM_HeavyArmory+IWIA_Patch.esp
115 73 JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp
116 74 JSwords_Load_Screens.esp
117 75 MoonAndStar_Undeath_compat.esp
118 76 Merta Assassin Armor.esp
119 77 Brows.esp
120 78 The Ningheim.esp
121 79 The Ningheim - Followers.esp
122 7a Nephilim.esp
123 7b Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
124 7c SerialStrip.esp
125 7d SerialStripper.esp
126 7e Nila.esp
127 7f LunariRace.esp
128 80 SLA Monitor Widget.esp
129 81 SexLabSexBounty.esp
130 82 Devious Deviants.esp
131 83 PuppetMaster.esp
132 84 FISS.esp
133 85 Bathing in Skyrim - Main.esp
134 86 DW.esp
135 87 sanguinesDebauchery.esp
136 88 rtZuleikaFollower.esp
137 89 CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp
138 8a Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
139 8b ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
140 8c ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp
141 8d ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp
142 8e CoT-WeatherPatch.esp
143 8f CoT-WeatherPatch_DB.esp
144 90 SexLab_Dialogues.esp
145 91 R18pn - lingerie Set.esp
146 92 APPS.esp
147 93 Alternate Start - Live A Deviant Life.esp
148 94 SexLab_DibellaCult.esp
149 95 SexLab_DibellaCult_Sisters.esp
150 96 Dibellas Grace.esp
151 97 Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
152 98 FNIS_PCEA2.esp
153 99 LoversHook.esp
154 9a SexLab Attraction.esm
155 9b EFFDialogue.esp
156 9c UIExtensions.esp
157 9d TemptressVixen.esp
158 9e OrientalRace.esp
159 9f noiraldg.esp
160 a0 Hermit.esp
161 a1 Sara.esp
162 a2 AncientTonguesGreatSword.esp
163 a3 FollowerSha.esp
164 a4 Lamae.esp
165 a5 Follower - Ulrica.esp
166 a6 MBWSAmalia.esp
167 a7 Sephina.esp
168 a8 ScarletDawnArmor.esp
169 a9 SexyVest.esp
170 aa Ursine Armor Pack.esp
171 ab Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
172 ac Celes Nightingale Armor.esp
173 ad Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
174 ae Faction Crossbows.esp
175 af JKs Solitude.esp
176 b0 JK's Rorikstead.esp
177 b1 JK's Riverwood.esp
178 b2 JKs Riften.esp
179 b3 JKs Markarth.esp
180 b4 JK's Ivarstead.esp
181 b5 JK's Falkreath.esp
182 b6 JKs Dragon Bridge.esp
183 b7 JK's Morthal.esp
184 b8 JK's Dawnstar.esp
185 b9 JK's Winterhold.esp
186 ba JKs Windhelm.esp
187 bb SexLabDefeat.esp
188 bc SexLab Cumshot.esp
189 bd DeviouslyHelpless.esp
190 be mslDeviousCaptures.esp
191 bf SexLab Romance.esp
192 c0 Cloaks.esp
193 c1 Devious Devices - For the Masses II.esp
194 c2 FtM Cloaks CCO.esp
195 c3 Extra Encounters Reborn - Dawnguard.esp
196 c4 Footprints.esp
197 c5 Further Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
198 c6 Death Mountain part2.esp
199 c7 JKs Whiterun.esp
200 c8 DarkTower.esp
201 c9 SFO - Dragonborn.esp
202 ca Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
 

As I said I'm new to modding so if you notice anything that may cause this (or possibly different crashes later on) please let me know how to fix it (and if possible why it is causing crashes so I won't make the same mistake again)

 

Thanks for your help in advance,

LightHawk

[Hana]

Hello LightHawk, welcome to AFK.

 

When you say 'leave snowy areas' how are you leaving? Are you running around or fast traveling? Is it any time you fast travel no matter where?
Have you run LOOT? Some mods appear to be sorted incorrectly, most noticable are the LAL-Alt Start mods, they should be at the bottom of your load order.

It sounds like a case of overload, running out of memory/vram...

possible heavy culprits;

- 56 38 Verdant - A Skyrim Grass Plugin.esp (doesn't this require ini edits? another possible cause)
- looks like you're running ENB?
- 9  9 0db2SECOND.esm -- what is this mod? what does it do?

Also a lot of script heavy mods, more possible culprits.

Suggestion; start a new character, using any LAL start... run around and see how the game reacts... turn on papyrus logging to see if there's script overload happening (you can also post the log here, it might help). It's going to take a lot of testing to nail down the problem here with that large load order.

[LightHawk]

If I fast travel I get a CTD right after the loading screen, if i walk it's a matter of time.

 

Yes, I've run LOOT, I think? I can sort them manually by saying certain mods are to load after others but it sorts them automatically after starting LOOT, right?

 

Runing out of memory or VRAM shouldn't be possible, the 980 has 4GB of VRAM and I doubt I'm gonna need more than that. (right?)

 

- I've changed the ini files as described on the page for verdant on the nexuspage, so that should be fine.

- Yes ENB is running

- 0db2SECOND are dragonbreak episodes 1 and 2

 

If it were the script heavy mods wouldn't my game crash everywhere?

 

Will do, I'll post a log later on

[Leonardo]

I agree with Hana.  Have you clean every mod you're using, including the official DLC?  But where is the bashed patch, I don't see it.

 

A couple of years ago I had an issue with activators and every time I went into the snow region and activated any activator I got an instant CTD, I even got a CTD when talking to Lydia in the Wayward Pass cell near the Arkay shrine.

 

Are you sure the edits you made in Skyrim.ini are valid?  Also, are you using the latest video driver and I assume you're using Nvidia?  I updated my Nvidia GTX 750 Ti yesterday.

[LightHawk]

I will try what Hana said as soon as I can find time to do so (I've got exams coming up so I'm spending most of my time at the campus studying). I can tell you though, that I've downloaded Skyrim+DLC from steam so that install should be fine and for all the other mods I've used NMM and followed instructions given in the description (in case there were any).

I have to admit I do not have a bashed patch as I didn't know what that is or that it even existed in the first place. I'll add that asap, however I doubt that's my problem, because the game crashes no matter where I'm traveling, including cities where obviously the guards should have the same equipment as in the cities I can enter. Then again I may have missed something a few minutes ago when I tried to understand what the bashed patch is.

 

What do I have to do to figure out if I have a similar problem? so far I only got CTD when traveling out of snow regions but never while activating objects/talking to someone.

 

I've changed exactly what I was supposed to change and nothing else in Skirim.ini.

I haven't used the latest driver as I wanted to skip version 364.47 as it was known to cause problems. Thanks to you I know the 364.51 is out now, which should (supposedly) fix said problems so it's updating right now.

 

Thanks again for all your help, and as I said I'll add a papyrus log asap.

[LightHawk]

So I've finally found some time.

 

The graphics drivers are up to date now, the bashed patch still isn't applied (I'll do that soon)

 

I've started a clean save, using one of the custom races, and used a random LAL start. I went ahead and added the Merta Assassin Armor and the Iceblade of the Monarch to my inventory as well as a travel lantern, activated the tgm command and went of to wander around. After walking from Markarth all the way to the swamp between Soltitude and Morthal killing a few foresworn and clearing out a cave on the way the game crashed. I did not notice any missing textures this time, all trees rendered correctly, which is odd considering that I could reproduce the problem with the missing tree textures on my other save.

 

 

Looking into the papyrus log I've noticed that there are counless errors and warnings listed.The entire log is certainly is way too long to post so here is a dropbox link to the file:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q8hzighorsa3kqm/Papyrus.0.log?dl=0

 

Just by looking at that log I'm pretty sure I messed up big time somewhere...

[Hana]

An 8mb papyrus log is a tragedy....

 

There's a lot going on here, but most of it is harmless. The biggest issue may be the LunariRace.esp and the character you created. That's where all the spam is coming from (and possibly why you crashed with script overload).

 

When you have the time, I'd like you to do another test. Uninstall LunariRace.esp, start another new game with a vanilla race. Run around. Exit the game to desktop. Go back in game on that char and run around some more. Exit. You should now have two logs - papyrus_0.log and papyrus_1.log. I'd like to see both.

 

One other thing, Sanguines Debauchery seems to be complaining about a lot of missing scripts. Are you sure it's installed correctly?

[Leonardo]

So I've finally found some time.

 

The graphics drivers are up to date now, the bashed patch still isn't applied (I'll do that soon)

 

I've started a clean save, using one of the custom races, and used a random LAL start.

That's good you got some time, because troubleshooting a game like what you have is gonna to take some time to fix, if you can fix it that is most likely you can't fix it.

 

If you want to know what a bashed patch is then scrap NMM and start to learn how Wrye Bash works (I know it's for Oblivion, but most features work for Skyrim) since the bashed patch are one of many powerful features that Wrye Bash offers.

 

Another tool you definitely need is LOOT and using TES5Edit aren't necessary to use, but LOOT will complain about dirty mods and recommend the user to clean those dirty mods including the official DLC with TES5Edit.

 

It isn't recommended to start a new game or start using a clean save at the same time using a custom race mod, but I think most people want to use LAL when starting a new game for whatever reason.

[LightHawk]

An 8mb papyrus log is a tragedy....

 

There's a lot going on here, but most of it is harmless. The biggest issue may be the LunariRace.esp and the character you created. That's where all the spam is coming from (and possibly why you crashed with script overload).

 

When you have the time, I'd like you to do another test. Uninstall LunariRace.esp, start another new game with a vanilla race. Run around. Exit the game to desktop. Go back in game on that char and run around some more. Exit. You should now have two logs - papyrus_0.log and papyrus_1.log. I'd like to see both.

 

One other thing, Sanguines Debauchery seems to be complaining about a lot of missing scripts. Are you sure it's installed correctly?

 

Ok, this should be interesting now:

 

The Lunari race is unistalled, I've created a Nord walked around, then decided I want a carriage to Whiterun, and during the loadingscreen the game crashed. Then upon restarting the game it crashed after hitting the continue button. Those two papyrus logs are .0 and .1 logs, I then continued to restart the game a few times until it would let me load my safe file and walked around the area close to Whindhelm instead (note that I spawned on Solstheim and had no trouble fast traveling back from there) which is the .01 log.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6rfqlml5avhze5e/AAAjeY-VvdIddfoGUGLMvx35a?dl=0

 

I tried checking the installation of Sanguines Debauchery but LoversLab seems to be down, perhaps just bad timing on my part, I'll check again later.

 

That's good you got some time, because troubleshooting a game like what you have is gonna to take some time to fix, if you can fix it that is most likely you can't fix it.

 

If you want to know what a bashed patch is then scrap NMM and start to learn how Wrye Bash works (I know it's for Oblivion, but most features work for Skyrim) since the bashed patch are one of many powerful features that Wrye Bash offers.

 

Another tool you definitely need is LOOT and using TES5Edit aren't necessary to use, but LOOT will complain about dirty mods and recommend the user to clean those dirty mods including the official DLC with TES5Edit.

 

It isn't recommended to start a new game or start using a clean save at the same time using a custom race mod, but I think most people want to use LAL when starting a new game for whatever reason.

 

As for the bashed patch I'm kind of having a problem there, namely my Skyrim directory.

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim

Is there a way for me to move the game out of the program files folder? I'm using Win10, the build in way to move programs doesn't seem to be working for desktop applications but only for those apps sind win8.

 

LOOT is installed although I'm planning on getting into TES5Edit I didn't have the chance to yet. Starting to belive I'm having too many hobbies, or at least too many plans...

 

What's the problem with using a clean save with a custom race mod?

[Leonardo]

As for the bashed patch I'm kind of having a problem there, namely my Skyrim directory.

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Skyrim

Is there a way for me to move the game out of the program files folder? I'm using Win10, the build in way to move programs doesn't seem to be working for desktop applications but only for those apps sind win8.

 

LOOT is installed although I'm planning on getting into TES5Edit I didn't have the chance to yet. Starting to belive I'm having too many hobbies, or at least too many plans...

 

What's the problem with using a clean save with a custom race mod?

Well, normally I would post a link to Steam of how to move installed games, but in this case I think you'll save some time by just scrap everything and install Skyrim plus the necessary tools outside of the UAC protected C:\Program Files(x86) folder.

 

Perhaps reinstall Steam too and this time outside of the C:\Program Files(x86) folder.  I know you can install Skyrim exactly where you want to have it installed, I have done that and it works.

 

Why that's a problem?  Because to my knowledge every used method to solve a mod issue by e.g repair a gamesave, clean save etc does not work in Skyrim as it did for both Morrowind and Oblivion due to Papyrus in Skyrim.  That's why.

[lmstearn]

It might also help checking this link. Has anyone had any success with the GameSave Manager?

[LightHawk]

It might also help checking this link. Has anyone had any success with the GameSave Manager?

 

Thank you very much.