Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I've experienced a bug in several playthroughs where I can't become thane of Markarth. Google and experimentation tell me the quest to become thane (favor250) is setting itself to stage 200 and becoming stuck there. Setstage can't fix it, and neither can resetquest. The only option is going back to an earlier save and using setstage to complete the quest manually; it seems that the more quests I do in or around the Reach, the more likely it is to lock itself out, but even doing only quests from the hold steward doesn't prevent it, so by the time I've met the requirements to become thane, I can't; the dialogue for helping 5 people in the Reach will never appear (I can still get Vlindrel Hall, though). So far what causes it to set to 200 seems to be random; for example, fast traveling to Whiterun caused it. Once it's set to 200 the quest is impossible to complete and the Dragonborn can't become thane. If this is a mod conflict, I can't find it, but if you need my mod list, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmstearn Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Hi Opalescentnanomachines, welcome to AFK! The mod list in a spoiler tag would be nice. From what I read, it's not looking good. Let's hope that it's just a mod that's causing it. One or more of the game variables has got out of whack. Have you ever used console commands in a previous unrelated situation prior to saving the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaultDuke Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Welcome to afk mods. Just wanted to add that i'll give you two thumbs up for your account name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hana Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Welcome Gonna need more information. There are specific requirements to get to the "help my people" stage. Have you met them? In order to receive this quest you must first aid the current jarl. If the jarl is Igmund, then you must complete Find Hrolfdir's Shield first. Note: in order to get Igmund to give you the Find Hrolfdir's Shield quest you must first do some mercenary quests given by both the Jarl and his steward. If the jarl is Thongvor, whether he was installed via Season Unending or The Battle for Fort Sungard then the completion of the quest that installed him is sufficient to fulfill the prerequisite. Then you must buy the house. I have never once had an issue with Thongvor after winning the civil war for the Stormcloaks. What "help" quests have you done that you believe the favor quest is becoming stuck? Are you helping people and the "x/5" count just isn't incrementing? Have you ever enabled papyrus logs to see if it's throwing any errors? Post your latest log. (also noteworthy; around here we cringe when people say they use console commands to bypass issues ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Thanks for helping, all! I don't use console commands routinely, except to check things (getstage, etc.) and to try last-resort fixes for seriously broken quests. I do not know how to enable papyrus logs. Near as I could narrow down, as soon as I'd done any quest that would qualify as favor quests counting towards the 5 needed, it would either lock out immediately by setting favor250 to stage 200, or that would happen at any random point after that, following otherwise innocuous events (the aforementioned fast traveling to Whiterun). It first happened after I did the quest for the Sybil of Dibella and in the process "befriended" the priestesses. There's no outward sign that it's happening; I usually have to use getstage to monitor whether it's randomly set itself to 200 or not. I have met all requirements for the thaneship quest, including purchasing the house. I tried going back to much earlier saves several times and just making sure to do those specific quests -- killing forsworn, getting Hrolfdir's shield, etc. -- with the aim of becoming thane. The issue is that the dialogue option that starts the thaneship quest never appears -- I can purchase the house, but I'm never given the "help 5 people" quest before or after that. It flat-out just won't appear despite that I've met all the requirements. Here is a list of my active mods: Dragons Shout with Voice Guard Dialogue Overhaul Immersive Skyrim Thunder Understandable Draugrs Drinking Fountains of Skyrim Northern Bathhouses Perfect Whiterun Breezehome TNF Hearthfire Multiple Adoptions Hearthfire Everyone Sleeps Marriage Mod - To Have and To Hold My Home is Your Home Faster Mining General Displays General Stores Hotkey Your Gear Lanterns and Candles Haven Bag Campsite Khune - Redguard House Family Edition Capeless Nightingale Dwemer Goggles and Scouter Hedge Mage Armor Improved Closefaced Helmets Weapons of Mara - Mara's Loving Touch Wearable Lanterns Golden Vendors Increased Bounty and Guild Rewards Colorful Lights - No Shadows - More FPS No Menu and Loading Smoke Remove Exterior Fog - FOMOD Skyrim Performance Plus (Aspen Leaves FX, Pine Needles FX, Rainfall FX, Snowfall FX) Catlike Khajiit Ethereal Elven Overhaul SG Female Eyebrows The Eyes of Beauty Use All the Hair Styles Atlas Map Markers for Skyrim Dragon Priest Mask Quest Markers Multiple Custom Markers with Notes Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers Better Gold Better Mammoth Cheese Book Covers Skyrim Interactive Clutter Jess' Naming Tweaks Jess' Scroll and Staff Crafting Jess' Jewelry and Armor Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored Female Underwear Retex LeanWolf's Better Shaped Weapons LeanWolf's Improced Enchanter Candle Meshes Lind's Robes Revamps (Black, Brown, Court Wizard, Grey Wizard, Monk, Necromancer, Red Wizard) Roadsigns Redone Cloaks of Skyrim Bandanas of Skyrim Blindfolds of Skyrim Blade of Eplear Bandoliers - Bags and Pouches Bosmer Armor Crossbows Basic Collection Circlet Replacers for Women Elven Rogue Armor Flower Power Heavy Armory HN66's Earrings JewelCraft Leather Backpack Lefthand Rings Maty's Mithril Armor Ogre Killer Sicarius' Refuge Silver Dragon Armor Silver Knight Armor Aetherial Crown Replacer Soul Gems Glow When Full Unique Booze Bottles HD Unique Uniques Whiterun Trellis Redesigned and HQ Animated Dwemer Life Load Doors Feminine Females Player Headtracking Pray at Shrines Windcallers Pass Path of the Divine Calling Card Fence Lite Acquisitive Soul Gems - Dawnguard Auto Unequip Ammo Bookshelves Updated SKSE Script Bowlegged Jump Fix Brawl Bugs Patch - Compatibility Edition Civil War Repairs Dragon Stalking Fix Enchantment Reload Fix Immersive Detection of NPC Lower 1st Person Weapons No Magic Ninja AI Dodge No Spinning Death Animation Realistic Crime Radius Safety Load Transmute Mineral Ore - Choose Which One Unofficial Patches (all except High Resolution Patch; not using High Resolution DLC) Vanilla Mannequin Script Fix Boethiah for Good Guys BadGremlin's Great JarHunt Farmers Sell Produce Hearthfire Homes Don't Respawn Honed Metal - NPC Crafting and Enchanting Services Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul Immersive College of Winterhold Mine Owners Sell Ore Pipe Smoking Simple Cow and Goat Milking Simple Taxes Skyrim Wayshrines - Immersive Fast Travel Skyrim's Unique Treasures Take Notes - Journal of the Dragonborn Taverns Dragon Soul Relinquishment Perks Unbound Pickpocketing Chance Caps Azura Shrine Temple BFT - Carriages and Ships Hold Border Banners Lanterns of Skyrim Point the Way FPS Counter Jaxonz Positioner Jaxonz Renamer RaceMenu SkyUI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 If that's your actual load order then I'm not surprised you're having issues. Simple example is that you have 3 Mods in there for Hearthfires, but you heven't listed Hearthfires itself, or the UHFP? I think you need to post the true load order for your current game - installed mods are not necessarily active mods - and if that IS your real load order then you have real problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Whoops. No, that's not the actual load order. I posted while tired (apologies, I'm chronically ill). Here is the actual order: Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp GeneralStores.esm GeneralDisplays.esm GeneralDisplays - DB.esm GeneralDisplays - DG.esm Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm ColorfulLightsNoShadows.esp Dragon Stalking Fix.esp moredeathreloadtime.esp ocarina of time.esp Soul Gems Glow When Full.esp HonedMetal.esp Atlas Compass Tweaks.esp Auto Unequip Ammo.esp draugrEnglish.esp BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp UseAllTheHairStyles.esp saturationboost.esp Chesko_WearableLantern.esp PBGearRings.esp TakeNotes.esp Headtracking.esp No Magic Ninja Dodge - No DLC.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp Book Covers Skyrim.esp Brawl Bugs CE.esp Immersive detection of NPC.esp Increased Bounty & Guild Rewards.esp JaxonzRenamer.esp JaxonzEnhGrab.esp Perks Unbound.esp Perks Unbound - Dragonborn.esp Perks Unbound - Dawnguard.esp dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp Taverns.esp Northern Bathhouses.esp ethereal_elven_overhaul.esp Dwemer Goggles & Scouter.esp whiterun spruce by revan1199.esp randomthunder.esp imp_helm_legend.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul lanterns.esp LFox Pickpocketing Chance Capts at 100.esp marriagemod - alpha v3.esp Catlike Khajiit+ NPCs.esp Civil War Repairs.esp JessRenamingv1point1.esp BFT Ships and Carriages.esp MilkSomeCows.esp PipeSmoking.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp SimpleTaxes.esp Realistic crime report radius.esp SGEyebrows.esp pickpocket 1 minimum chance.ckm.esp SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp maraslovingtouch.esp MineVendors.esp Feminine Females.esp Hearthfires Everyone Sleeps.esp HearthFireHomesNoReset.esp HearthfireMultiKid.esp HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp Point The Way.esp Atlas Legendary.esp Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp RemoveExteriorFog-AIO.esp SkyUI.esp Custom_Markers_with_Notes.esp sOverEncumbered.esp transmute.esp Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp WayshrinesIFT.esp Farmers Sell Produce - Skyrim.esp hearth fire house mod.esp EliRedguardHouse.esp Drinking Fountains of Skyrim.esp PathoftheDivine.esp BadGremlinsJarHunt.esp GoldenVendors.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp AzuraShrineExtra.esp HoldBorderBanners.esp CallingCardFence.esp DragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.esp Hedge Mage Armor.esp PrayAtShrines.esp PP_WindcallerPass.esp AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp HavenBag.esp TheEyesOfBeauty.esp My Home Is Your Home.esp JessCraftableScrolls.esp This also takes into account the uninstalling I just did yesterday of a bunch of equipment mods. Testing says I'm still having the same problem so it wasn't any of them. I've been using LOOT to manage my load order; I re-ran it after uninstalling stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 That looks more like it. The first part (Skyrim itself, the DLCs and the UPs) look ok to me. The rest - most I've never even heard of let alone know what they do or what issues they could cause. Cue a member of the team, I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPete Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Like Hana - I haven't ever had a problem completing this quest with either of the Jarls. Also I don't see anything there that stands out as being the culprit, but I'm not familiar with a lot of those mods either. Loading up your mods in TES5Edit and checking to see if any of them modify the Markarth Thane quest(s) in some way may be one way of figuring out what is to blame. Also, anything that modifies the radiant quest system in the game could also be an issue since the quests to become Thane are radiant quests. This also takes into account the uninstalling I just did yesterday of a bunch of equipment mods. You may already be aware of this, but uninstalling mods on an existing game (and continuing) is never recommended. It can leave behind orphaned scripts and often causes other undesirable problems in your game save, so if you have by chance been doing that it could possibly lead to problems with quests like the ones you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Indeed on the uninstalling; I'm basically trying to eliminate stuff to see if it corrects the problem, and I use the Save Cleaner tool anytime I do to remove orphan script instances and whatnot. I will probably reinstall before resuming play (haven't played since I posted the thread). I appreciate the suggestion of using TES5Edit to look over my mods for the problem, and will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hana Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Right, then I'm a little confused to what you're experiencing. It should go like this; (for Igmund) - complete quest Find Hrolfdir's Shield - choose dialogue topic "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?" - He will respond that there's room in his court for a Thane, and that you need to 'be known throughout his hold' and purchase the house. - When you accept with "It will be my honor" you should (going by memory here) get the objectives to purchase the house, and help the people of the hold. Once you purchase the house from the steward you then need to go visit your house at least once. So if you can already purchase the house, you must also have the second part. But you're saying you don't have the second part? (cuz that would make no sense at all) What is your current status of the Civil War quest? Something possibly might be interfering. It may also help if you can upload your save file somewhere for someone to take a look at it. If you can, one from before you talk to the Jarl and one after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 It goes like this: - complete quest Find Hrolfdir's Shield - Igmund tells me I may now purchase property in the city because I have honored his father - there is no dialogue topic "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?" - there is no objective to purchase the house, but the option is now available with the steward - once house is purchased, objective to visit the house appears I've actually not started the Civil War questline; I have the miscellaneous objective Join the Imperial Legion, but that's it. I'll see if I can upload the save file? What format would be good for compressing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwball Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 There's no quest to talk to the steward because Igmund tells you "talk to my steward when you're ready" (or similar, that's not an actual quote). If you have the "visit the house" objective, do so. Run around helping ppl, eventually you'll notice you have a "Return to Igmund" objective. I have one right now - had it for ages - will doubtless have it for more ages (along with ones for for the Jarls of Riften, Solitude and Morthal - I'm not a fan of HouseCarls). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'm not concerned with there being a quest to talk to the steward, I'm concerned with having well above the 5 people helped in the Reach and never, ever getting either the 'Help 5 People in the Reach' or 'Return to Igmund' objectives. The dialogue option that would give me those objectives, which is "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?", does not appear. Like, that's the whole problem -- that quest will not trigger. And because it won't trigger, I can help as many folk as I like, and still can't become thane. I will not obtain the housecarl, I will not get Axe of the Reach, I will not have the option of a one-time out with the guards. No thaneship. When I check the thaneship quest -- favor250 -- it's stuck on stage 200, and as far as I can tell, this permanently prevents me from completing it -- or, really, from starting it at all. Edit: I realize that all sounds rather snippy; I apologize. But I'm here on this forum because I've more than met the requirements and still can't get the quest to work, not because I haven't bothered to look up what the requirements are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hana Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Ok, we're talking two different quests here. What I described is favor250. What you describe is favor157 - find the shield and that's it. Which yes, also offers you the house afterward. You have not yet even started favor250 as far as I can tell. I would suggest leaving the city for awhile. Go do something else way far away out of the hold. Return to him in a week or so and see if he offers Thaneship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'm honestly trying to be super clear: the issue is that I can't get favor250 to trigger and have tried a great number of things to see if it would help, including waiting and doing other quests and etc. When I check favor250 using getstage, it's at stage 200, even though I've never gotten the dialogue offer and as far as I can tell, never will. I've done several playthroughs and spent literal out-of-game days of gameplay doing other things and periodically coming back to see if he would offer thaneship, and only eventually researched online and discovered that someone else had had a similar problem and recommended to try using getstage to see what stage it was at. The dialogue involved -- "My Jarl, is there anything else you need?" -- never appears so the quest never starts, because as far as the game is concerned it's already done, hence it being at stage 200, except that it never happened so I am not thane. This has happened on several consecutive playthroughs in which I reached over level 50 without being able to get the thaneship quest. Basically, favor157 is as far as I can get. I cannot get favor250 to start because it's randomly setting itself to stage 200 and therefore being impossible to trigger. It's never at stage 15 (Help 5 People in the Reach) or stage 20 (return to Igmund). It skips to 200 but doesn't actually make me thane, and it seems to be doing so on its own, in response to a combination of doing favor quests in the Reach and other completely unconnected events such as fast travel. It often does so before I complete or even get favor157. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 We'd definitely need to see that save. If Favor250 is listing itself at stage 200, the game believes you've completed it already. Stage 200 can only be called when you've returned to the Jarl and told them you've helped the people. You have numerous mods that many of us, myself included, are not familiar with that may be messing with things. In the vanilla game, Favor250 cannot advance past stage 0 without talking to the Jarl after Favor157 is done because that's when the relationship value increases to allow Favor250's dialogue to run naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I have the saves compressed into a zip file, but I can't figure out how to add file attachments? I'll see if I can host the file somewhere else and link it. The Temple of Dibella save is from before favor250 set itself to 200; the Markarth save is from after. They're from the same playthrough. Both have been cleaned with the SaveTool cleaner. Edit: link to zip file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Your save data clearly indicates Favor157 has not been done. You don't meet the level requirements for it with this character. Favor157 requires you to be >= level 20 before it will start. Both saves you supplied are for level 17 characters. sqs favor157 Stage 0: 0 Stage 10: 0 Stage 15: 0 Stage 20: 0 Stage 200: 0 Further, according to the SQS output for Favor250: sqs favor250 Stage 0: 1 Stage 10: 0 Stage 15: 0 Stage 20: 0 Stage 25: 0 Stage 200: 1 You manually skipped ahead to stage 200. NONE of the intervening required steps were run, which is simply not possible in a vanilla game. Evidence more or less suggests you've been using the console to bounce quest stages around. Which is why Hana commented that we get awfully twitchy about things like that around here. These are precisely the kinds of problems abuse of the console results in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I honestly, truly haven't been using the console to skip around. Flat-out. Haven't. Only gave it a try with this particular quest to see if it would work after all else failed -- saved first, didn't save after. Whatever is doing it, it isn't me using the console to skip quest stages, because I did not do that. Not once in an actually saved save, not for this quest or any other, definitely not in either of those saves. I find it immersion-breaking at the very best and have been cautioned as to its deleterious effects in any case. The quest is doing that by itself. Which is the problem. The reason I gave you those saves is that the Temple of Dibella one was the most recent save I could find that didn't have favor250 set to 200, and the next save after that was the Markarth save. I only knew this was the case because I was running getstage on that quest for each save, looking for the most recent one that had it still at stage 0. If I had been using the console to skip stages, I would have said so when Hana brought it up in reply to my mention of trying setstage, and I explained why I tried setstage in the post just below. I don't want to skip the quest to the end, I want to be able to do it the regular way, and I can't. If this is impossible in a vanilla game (ergo, can't be a vanilla bug), I'm going to assume it's one of my mods that's causing it, and keep looking with TES5Edit/uninstalling them until I can narrow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Gain the 3 levels first then because you have to do Favor157 before you can do Favor250. The data in your save is crystal clear that Favor157 has never been run because you don't yet meet the requirements for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Um, yes? The point is that I haven't even gotten favor157 in that particular save, and the game is for some reason setting favor250 to 200. By itself. Even though I'm not even at level 20 yet. I was asked to provide two saves -- one before the quest setting itself to 200, and one after. I had to go back to a save from when I was level 17 in order to find a save where favor250 wasn't set to 200, because that's when it did it in this playthrough. It's locking favor250 out before I even qualify to get it, which is something I already said. I have played through several times past that, and can provide more save files, past level 20 and all the way to completion of favor157, and favor250 is still set to 200, and I didn't set it there myself, and because it is set to 200 it can't run any of the intervening stages, and therefore favor250 doesn't work and I can't become thane. Which means I can complete favor157 but can't even start favor250 because favor250 thinks it's already done, and it starts thinking it's already done before I've even completed favor157. I apologize again for my tone, but I am becoming frustrated at repeating myself. I am honestly trying to be clear about the issue and what I have and haven't done. I wouldn't be here if I hadn't tried everything I could think of and everything hours of Google searching could suggest to me. Edit: here's a link to another save in the same playthrough after completing favor157. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 You asked for our advice. We've given it. The conclusions are pretty clear. If you aren't the one doing it via the console, then one of your other mods is messing things up and needs to be dealt with, and a bug report file with its author when you find the one causing it. Given how ignorant some authors are, you should be prepared to get a lot of blowback from them on it even if you bury them in evidence. Since it involves incorrectly setting a quest stage, your issue is going to be coming from a script and you may not be lucky enough to have an esp associated with it that edits Favor250 in an obvious way. You'll need to pay close attention to the "Referenced By" tab in TES5Edit to see which mods in your load order contain references to the quest since they will require it in order to act on it. Provided whatever mod did this hasn't been written in some daft way to avoid being detected. You also said you used a save cleaner on the save, and while that's generally safe when used properly, it's also entirely possible to corrupt the data with it if something goes wrong or you're using an outdated version. Or worse, using one that's never been safe to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opalescentnanomachines Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Understood. I definitely appreciate the advice; I was only becoming frustrated that some of it kept being clearly predicated on information that wasn't applicable when I had already communicated that. I will continue to hunt for which mod is the problem. I'll also take a look at my save cleaner and see if it's up to date and generally in the safe range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Only one cleaner we consider safe if that helps: http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/52363/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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