IsharaMeradin Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I have a rather heavy mod install. As a result this may simply be a result of mods criss-crossing each other. However, aside from the USKP, I have nothing that I could even suspect as a cause. Looking for two things: pointers to possible causes. confirmation and/or denial of the bug in a USKP only setup. The bug: Enter Bannered Mare in the evening hours. Talk to Carlotta and receive the quest to speak with the bard about harassing her. Immediately talk to the bard. I choose the persuade option, but my persuade check fails. I then choose to brawl. Fight starts out normal. After a few hits in, Carlotta gets up and draws her dagger. She then proceeds to attack the bard. If I keep hands up in brawl mode, she will kill him. If I lower my hands, everyone stops fighting and goes back to normal routine. Difference between the two outcomes is that the first proceeds with the quest, the second requires me to try something else to convince the bard to leave her alone. I did perform a recent update of installed mods not that long ago. Of which, the USKP was included. Prior to these updates, the brawl seemed to work just fine. load order list Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp Falskaar.esm FM - HaafingarHall.esm MFVM.esm SGHairPackBase.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp Cutting Room Floor.esp 360WalkandRunPlus-RunBackwardSpeedAdjust.esp SSoB.esp SkyUI.esp CandleLightRecolor.esp Isharas_CustomPlayerBody.esp DG and DB Axe Perks merged.esp InventoryManagementSystem.esp A Mage's Night Out.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp LFGSmoothLeveling.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Dragonborn.esp SGHairPackAIO.esp numericalSmithingUpgrades.esp FISS.esp AMatterOfTime.esp Mining For Mages Redux.esp Extended UI.esp BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp SkyCompleteFalskaar.esp RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp FloraRespawnFix.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp ELFX - Dawnguard.esp zzArmormashups.esp Thieves Guild Requirements.esp KS Hairdo's.esp Isharas_PresetAndMannequin_DLC.esp FreckleMania.esp FollowerAsCompanion.esp Isharas_AestheticBoltQuiver.esp JiubQuestMarkers.esp KJ Tattoos 2K.esp Falskaar Wildlife.esp GQJ_DG_vampireamuletfix.esp Purewaters.esp MainMenuCustomized.esp Random Mining MCM.esp Customizable Camera.esp SimpleNeeds.esp Invisibility Glitch Fix.esp SkyCompleteLegendary.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp 3DNPC.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp Helgen Reborn.esp Pureweather.esp MFVM_Hearthfire_Patch.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp 3DNPC_FollowerDefaultOutfit.esp The Huntsman.esp GoldenVendors.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp Traps Are Dangerous.esp RaceMenu.esp TreaclemanFalskaarPatch.esp Bring Out Your Dead.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Followers of Gol - The Five Housecarls.esp Thunderchild - Epic Shout Package.esp Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills Falskaar.esp WM Trap Fixes.esp When Vampires Attack.esp Wintermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp Lore Weapon Expansion.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp Run For Your Lives.esp Point The Way.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp Ars Metallica - Legendary Edition.esp Faction Crossbows.esp ABQ_FC_Patch.esp FM - HHall Exterior.esp 3DNPC Alternative Locations.esp FM - UNP Merchants.esp MB_Cleric_v2.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp DragonPriestMaskQuestMarkers.esp Gildergreen Regrown.esp Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp ASAP.esp dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp iActivate.esp towConversation.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarKr Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 It most probably is caused by some mod interfering with another. I had a similar problem few days ago - anytime I started a brawl the person tried to punch me about two times then took their weapon and killed me. I don't play with so many mods and I was sure that few weeks ago I could brawl without any trouble so I knew it was caused by one of the mods I tried lately. By disabling them one after another I found out it was caused by "Dragon Combat Overhaul". However with your list of mods, figuring out which one does that might be a real pain in the ass :/. If you're not strictly after fixing the bug you might try to wait for a daytime when Carlotta stands by her stall and brawl the bard inside the inn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That sounds like classic "brawl bug" stuff. If one of your other mods is using a funky cloak spell that's probably what's causing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Odd. Always thought that the "brawl bug" was NPCs going hostile to the player due to magic cloak effects. I disabled one mod, Cleric. And the brawl plays out just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthmoor Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Yes. The thing is, some mods make use of hidden cloak effects in an effort to try and work around scripting issues they think are a problem. A lot of those invisible cloak spells they use for stuff is perceived as hostile. So brawls get screwed up because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Difference between the two outcomes is that the first proceeds with the quest, the second requires me to try something else to convince the bard to leave her alone. I did perform a recent update of installed mods not that long ago. Of which, the USKP was included. Prior to these updates, the brawl seemed to work just fine. Have you tried to talk to the bard when Carlotta is selling vegetables? I always do that and so far no brawl has occured. I suggest that you load your current loadorder into TES5Edit then search for Carlotta respective the bard and see if the USKP fixes has been overwritten by any mod(s) from your loadorder. If you find something that's similar to my issue I had with Aerin then report your findings to the author and ask if it can be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 I did check in TES5Edit, but the way everything interacts with each other, I have trouble finding all records that touch on the particular NPCs. At any rate, I repeated the scenario after removing enchanted gear on the outside chance that some mod added effect were responsible. Only difference was that my follower (Lydia) caught up to Mikael and began landing blows too. Revert & reload and tried brawling with Uthgerd (sp?) and here too my follower and others began attacking her. Its obviously not NPC specific. Probably a funky variant of the "brawl bug" as Arthmoor stated. I'm looking into that possibility to see if there were some overlooked settings in the mod that I disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 That sounds like classic "brawl bug" stuff. If one of your other mods is using a funky cloak spell that's probably what's causing it. Its obviously not NPC specific. Probably a funky variant of the "brawl bug" as Arthmoor stated. I'm looking into that possibility to see if there were some overlooked settings in the mod that I disabled. It could also be by design of how NPC would do when another NPC become a criminal. So if a NPC is detected by the game engine as a criminal any NPC that's close enough begin to fight with their bare hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadCat221 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 IIRC, that bard is the one that she has problems with. Maybe she got so fed up with his crap that when she saw him getting punchy with someone else telling him to cut it out, she flips her lid? Yeah, that's the ticket. RP it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPete Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 IIRC, that bard is the one that she has problems with. Maybe she got so fed up with his crap that when she saw him getting punchy with someone else telling him to cut it out, she flips her lid? Yeah, that's the ticket. RP it that way. Yes, that has to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsharaMeradin Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 yeah... sure... then you go back to her and she pays you for telling him off, even tho she up and killed him. doesn't quite RP very well. Anyway, I opted to play without said mod. Informed the author of my troubles with it. They said they would look into it when they had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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