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Steelbeard

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  1. I think Skyrim's writers did a good job, given that there are many thousands of lines of text in the game. I haven't noticed many typos after spending hundreds of hours playing. I think I noticed dropped or repeated words mostly. But you are right, there are many NPCs with names that end in S, and if you look through the USEEP changelogs, they have been changing all possessive forms of these names and labeling them as bugs, which is unnecessary. I figured I would post here because I didn't know how else to contact them, thinking that they must believe that "Talos's mead" is a grammatical error. I used to think that certain points of style were errors, too, because I grew up in a small town before there was any internet. So your English teacher was used to only one style, such as Chicago or AP or Strunk and of course that became the "right" way because they didn't know any better. Then I went to college, and found out that a lot of what I was taught was just an alternative style, so I thought I'd try to let these good folk know that they don't need to change any more possessives like this. They're fine as they are, really. Some people, however, won't be able to tolerate a different style, so for all I know, they'll go right on changing the "wrong" style to the right one. I hope not, however, since I don't see the need to work that hard to fix something not broken. Heh.
  2. Apologies if you have been over this. I searched the forums and could find no threads discussing it, and I haven't been over it, so here we are. You all have my sympathies then for being taught incorrectly in school. Gallus's is not in any way wrong. Neither is Gallus'. This is a matter more of style than of grammar. If your teachers marked you down for it, then it was because they wanted you to go with one style over the other. If they taught you it was incorrect grammar, well, again, you're learning now that it isn't. Also, by way of explanation the plural versus singular does have something to do with it. For example, if you have 1 boy, and he has a ball, you say "The boy's ball." If you have more than 1 boy, and they have a ball, you say "The boys' ball." This is not a matter of style, but of correct grammar and communication. For names, the same is true. If you are referring to Robert's ball, you mean 1 guy. If you say Roberts' ball, you are talking about more than one Robert. But if the name ends in an s, that's where the style part now comes in. People have written both 's and s' for the plural of names ending in an S. This is because for written communication, writing "Roberts' " by itself is no longer clear. Do you mean multiple boys named Robert, or do you mean a family of people? Or perhaps you have one person whose last name is Roberts. So both forms of the possessive were written, and now both are accepted as correct. For example, the Chicago Manual of Style and the Associated Press Stylebook both weigh in as authorities on this subject, and they have said and maintain the different styles over the years, and they also commonly disagree. Here is a reference page for you that compares the two: http://apvschicago.com/2011/06/apostrophe-s-vs-apostrophe-forming.html There is also the classic Strunk and White's Elements of Style, that offers its opinion, favoring 's, as in "Charles's." Style commonly arises from usage. AP, for example, offered their style guide for newsprint and thus space was at a premium, so favoring Charles' was better because it saved space. Wikipedia discusses all this on their talk page on possessives, since it has many editors and they try to come to some agreement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_(punctuation) So, the upshot is, if you were taught that one style is wrong, then you were taught something wrong. It's a style thing now, not a point of grammar. Style can't be wrong, really, even though people may have vehement disagreement over it. If you folks at USSEP want to go with the opposite style over what the writers of Skyrim chose, you are of course free to do that, but you should at least be aware that you are incorrectly labeling these as "bugs". The possessive is just in a different style. In my opinion, you are wasting time and energy correcting something that doesn't need it, and that could be better spent fixing actual errors in the game, both textual and otherwise.
  3. Hi, I am grateful for all the work done on USSEP. I just reviewed the changelog for 4.07 and am again blown away by all that is being fixed. However, I thought I'd point out that some of the text changes you are fixing are not really bugs, and you don't need to work as hard as you're doing on those. Specifically, whoever is submitting these "bugs" seems to think that this possessive form: "Gallus's" is some sort of mistake. I assure you, it is not. When someone's name ends in an S, adding an apostrophe S is a perfectly acceptable thing to do. It is not in any way a grammatical mistake. In fact, when I was growing up, the mistake was to put Gallus', because s' is reserved for forming the possessive of plural nouns, and Gallus is a single person, not a family or multiple people. Now, however, it seems that writing Gallus' is an acceptable variant spelling for the possessive of a single person whose name ends in s, so it isn't as if you are changing the grammar to an incorrect form. But it does mean that you are going to a lot of extra work to fix "bugs" that aren't bugs at all, since there is nothing wrong with "Gallus's" as it is. Since the writers of Skyrim used this form extensively throughout the text of the game, I think you could save a great deal of time if you quit changing all these possessives to a variant spelling and instead invested the time into fixing actual errors, many of which persist in the text of the game.
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